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Implications of more FW Pilots going Pirates

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Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#1 - 2012-01-30 08:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
I have noticed that more and more FW pilots are going pirate and willing to shoot more neutrals due to lack of WTs from the opposing militia.

If CCP doesn't fix FW soon, this scenario could play out in so many different ways. Thoughts?

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#2 - 2012-01-30 08:26:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Deen Wispa wrote:
I have noticed that more and more FW pilots are going pirate and willing to shoot more neutrals due to lack of WTs from the opposing militia.

If CCP doesn't fix FW soon, this scenario could play out in so many different ways. Thoughts?


Having been in FW from the beginning, I can tell you that most, if not all FW pilots are willing to go pie. Usually it is against pirates or known agressive pilots, or people with low sec status, anyone that appears to be a threat, or potential threat. Some FCs won't do it, but most will. We generally don't attack obviously harmless neuts, but, if bored enough, you are right, we will. Usually it is more about making a statement that we control a particular area, and we are sending the message that it is a war zone, and one ought to be careful, or like i said, we percieve the target to be a potential hostile.

The avg FW player isnt a serious roleplayer, but we do look to keep our little corner of the universe safe.Kinda like cops.We will however attack all pirates, suspicious neuts and the overtly stupid. I rarely if ever see any kind of concerted effort to target those who are clearly neutral and pose no threat, unless they go around acting like they think they are in high sec, in which case we let them know it's an active warzone.If a target is tempting enough, and brazen enough there is a chance we'll attack it. Genuine Neuts who show a healthy respect have little to worry about from militia.Thats my opinion, anyway.....
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#3 - 2012-01-30 09:56:04 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
I have noticed that more and more FW pilots are going pirate and willing to shoot more neutrals due to lack of WTs from the opposing militia.

If CCP doesn't fix FW soon, this scenario could play out in so many different ways. Thoughts?
it is not lack of targets .... we have a lot, but mostly apetite to kill .... if us spend all ur time pvp .... u pop everyshit comming along if u have chance ... it is low sec baby Twisted
Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#4 - 2012-01-30 14:51:08 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
I have noticed that more and more FW pilots are going pirate and willing to shoot more neutrals due to lack of WTs from the opposing militia.

If CCP doesn't fix FW soon, this scenario could play out in so many different ways. Thoughts?
it is not lack of targets .... we have a lot, but mostly apetite to kill .... if us spend all ur time pvp .... u pop everyshit comming along if u have chance ... it is low sec baby Twisted


Yes and no. At least for GalMil in the US TZ, more people are willing to go pirate due to a relative shortage of FW targets. I honestly don't see this as a bad thing, given a good chunk of FW members already live full time in low sec, and probably don't have any real desire to return to high-sec. From a RP perspective, a militia isn't a formal standing army, and is made up of individuals from a local population that decide to take up arms. There's nothing limiting the "day job" or profession they chose outside of the militia.

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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-30 15:04:48 UTC
Hell, members of the same militia will go pirate on each other for any reason or no reason at all! Case-in-point:

[url]http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=199655[/url]

But then, the baddie wasn't known for being anything but that. Doctoring killmails and the like, lawl.
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#6 - 2012-01-30 15:48:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dark Pangolin
Hidden Snake wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
I have noticed that more and more FW pilots are going pirate and willing to shoot more neutrals due to lack of WTs from the opposing militia.

If CCP doesn't fix FW soon, this scenario could play out in so many different ways. Thoughts?
it is not lack of targets .... we have a lot, but mostly apetite to kill .... if us spend all ur time pvp .... u pop everyshit comming along if u have chance ... it is low sec baby Twisted


^ This. The Gaas are probably doing it because of the lack of targets (lack of active pvp calmil USTZ)...lets not get into why there is such a lack of pilots...but honestly the most active gal pvp pilots were pie long before this, just as the most active pvp cal pilots were pirate...as snake said, if all you do in this game is pew pew...well you pew pew whatever juicy target presents itself...

We are privateers! The Caldari State will forgive our transgressions! FOR THE STATEish!

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BrokenBC
no tax's are us
#7 - 2012-01-30 16:47:57 UTC
Why Do people call someone that shoots random neuts pirates? They are just PVP pilots.Pirates are folks that gank freighters Or industrial ships For loot drops. Tho I suppose being called a pirate sounds cooler.Roll
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#8 - 2012-01-30 18:13:57 UTC
Im not a pirate, my overview just keeps messing up honest.

In all seriousness, its low sec, any neutrally roaming around expecting FW guys not to just melt them is pretty stupid and their death was only a matter of meeting someone. The second you jump out of high sec, expect the next person you meet to shoot you and lifes much easier.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#9 - 2012-01-30 18:50:53 UTC
So by your definition a pirate is someone who only attacks other people who can't fight back? Hmm so to be a pirate you must be a pussy?

I PvP for fun and profit
I am -10
Ill shoot anything that moves and isn't blue
But I 'm not a pirate, hell I only make 500m-1b a month from pvping. Must just be a Faction Warfare Noob Lol

Get a clue silly

BrokenBC wrote:
Why Do people call someone that shoots random neuts pirates? They are just PVP pilots.Pirates are folks that gank freighters Or industrial ships For loot drops. Tho I suppose being called a pirate sounds cooler.Roll

nom nom

Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-01-30 19:28:47 UTC
BrokenBC wrote:
Why Do people call someone that shoots random neuts pirates?

It is a broad classification of players who will shoot ships in low sec with little care about sec status.

It's a convention, why get all bent out of shape over it?

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.

Kiae
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-30 20:23:15 UTC
I was a pirate.

Now I'm a privateer.

That is to say, a pirate with a permission slip.

Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#12 - 2012-01-30 22:21:24 UTC
I think most people are in FW because they want killmails and good-fights; shooting neutrals provides both of those as readily as shooting WTs.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Lord Azeroth
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-01-31 00:16:30 UTC
It isn't just FW who go looking for fights, although often we do. Nuet gangs will fly through looking for fights quite often, they don't just zoom around low-sec looking for cool places to chill. When that occurs, or we are bored, or pumped ready to shoot something, yea, nuets get hit.

Sounds like a good time to me !
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#14 - 2012-01-31 01:27:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
I'm not saying people don't do risk going pie. I'm just saying more people are doing it to due to lack of WTs.

FW is like the Egg McMuffin of small gang pvp in EVE It just needs more love :)

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#15 - 2012-01-31 08:40:26 UTC
It's not for lack of war targets It's because there are more and more neutral eyes, scouts, boosters etc etc.

If I look at local in our home system there are 5 wts and 3 known alts associated with those targets.

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2012-01-31 11:21:11 UTC
Could people please stop referring to pirates as pies?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#17 - 2012-01-31 11:59:15 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Could people please stop referring to pirates as pies?


It seems that militia is so full of noobs that they have invented their own words for thing they have not seen before.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#18 - 2012-01-31 16:07:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Bad Messenger wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Could people please stop referring to pirates as pies?


It seems that militia is so full of noobs that they have invented their own words for thing they have not seen before.


People in Militia calling Pirates pies is nothing that came from just Militia. It's just a short way to say that targets are red flashy and you can attack them on a gate. In null sec there is no need to mention the differences because there is no gate guns nor does it matter as any non blues are usually targets.

It makes no sense to type out "red flashys" or "pirates" when you can do the same with just 4 letters. Not to mention there are many "pirates" whom aren't red flashy and stay **** yellow. However you know they will go GCC if the right targets shows up for them.


Myself I used to be full pie and red flashy but it's really a inconvenience when you are in mixed gangs or even soloing, so now I try to stay **** yellow. These days I just pirate in Gallente space or in Caldari space but only if the suspects look suspicious, as then I must assume they are working with the Gallente and I must inspect their ship fittings and cargo bay.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#19 - 2012-01-31 16:27:35 UTC
Piracy is pvp for profit, not necessarily km's. I can't name a single pirate in the amarr/minmatar militia despite half the guys in my corp (myself included) being outlaws who shoot any neut we can get our hands on. The militias are not full of pirates, we are NBSI just like everyone else in the game.

Most of the time, the decision to shoot a neutral comes down to a simple tactical decision. A decision is made if taking GCC will adversely affect the effectiveness of the fleet. If yes we don't do it, if no then we do. Simple as that. Back when I was on the amarr side it wasn't always that simple. The amarr side of things had a lot of RPers initially with strong connections to CVA who at the time were genuinely NRDS. Thus most of the amarr militia followed suite. But this is no longer the case. CVA burned their bridges with the amarr long ago and although I think they still claim to be NRDS, they are full fledged NBSI just like the rest of us. I'm pretty sure the minnie side has always been NBSI.

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Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-01-31 17:42:51 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Could people please stop referring to pirates as pies?


It seems that militia is so full of noobs that they have invented their own words for thing they have not seen before.

ab·bre·vi·a·tion/əˌbrēvēˈāSHən/

Noun:

A shortened form of a word or phrase.

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.

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