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Did CCP solve the Faction vs T2 Probe Launcher issue?
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#1 - 2012-01-24 18:02:05 UTC
Hi

I remember that when CCP launched a bunch of missing T2 modules, such as Small Tractor Beams and Probe Launchers, there were concerns that the T2 Probe Launchers would be superior to the faction (Sisters) version, which is contrary to how things usually are in EVE.

Was this the case originally?

Is it still the case, or did CCP evenually fix the problem?
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-01-24 18:15:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
"Patch Notes Crucible 1.1" wrote:
Sister core probe launcher and expanded probe launcher boost to scan probe strength has been increased from 5 to 10%.


So... that should fix it.

Also - everyone panic. As a side effect it is now easier to scan ships which once were "unscannable". Fear that.

(Probably the sneakiest effect is that now you should be able to scan those previously unscannable ships without the need to use sister's probes which could in theory catch overconfident pilots off guard)
CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#3 - 2012-01-24 19:27:53 UTC  |  Edited by: CaptainFalcon07
Cyniac wrote:
"Patch Notes Crucible 1.1" wrote:
Sister core probe launcher and expanded probe launcher boost to scan probe strength has been increased from 5 to 10%.


So... that should fix it.

Also - everyone panic. As a side effect it is now easier to scan ships which once were "unscannable". Fear that.

(Probably the sneakiest effect is that now you should be able to scan those previously unscannable ships without the need to use sister's probes which could in theory catch overconfident pilots off guard)


I justed tested to see if it makes a difference for a average scanner - Astrometrics 5 lvl 4 astrometric rangefinding and cov ops. With sisters combat probes and launcher on a 3 eccm tengu with a 2 gravity capacitor rigged buzzard.

Result - Signature Locked at less than 40%.

EDIT: After getting some testing the 10% faction probe launcher is still not enough to scan down a unprobable fit ship with max skills. You Need a Virtue Set to Even probe down. Virtues cost quite a bit and only a very few have them, therefore unscannable fits are still viable.
Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-25 09:20:42 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
Cyniac wrote:
"Patch Notes Crucible 1.1" wrote:
Sister core probe launcher and expanded probe launcher boost to scan probe strength has been increased from 5 to 10%.


So... that should fix it.

Also - everyone panic. As a side effect it is now easier to scan ships which once were "unscannable". Fear that.

(Probably the sneakiest effect is that now you should be able to scan those previously unscannable ships without the need to use sister's probes which could in theory catch overconfident pilots off guard)


I justed tested to see if it makes a difference for a average scanner - Astrometrics 5 lvl 4 astrometric rangefinding and cov ops. With sisters combat probes and launcher on a 3 eccm tengu with a 2 gravity capacitor rigged buzzard.

Result - Signature Locked at less than 40%.

EDIT: After getting some testing the 10% faction probe launcher is still not enough to scan down a unprobable fit ship with max skills. You Need a Virtue Set to Even probe down. Virtues cost quite a bit and only a very few have them, therefore unscannable fits are still viable.


Thanks for the fast testing. Highly appreciate the information!
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#5 - 2012-01-27 09:38:42 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
"Patch Notes Crucible 1.1" wrote:
Sister core probe launcher and expanded probe launcher boost to scan probe strength has been increased from 5 to 10%.


So... that should fix it.

Also - everyone panic. As a side effect it is now easier to scan ships which once were "unscannable". Fear that.

(Probably the sneakiest effect is that now you should be able to scan those previously unscannable ships without the need to use sister's probes which could in theory catch overconfident pilots off guard)


Thanks. I was just kinda confused because the patch notes made it sound like a "flat" bonus and that made little sense to me. Usually bonuses in EVE are per skill level, or a multiplicative effect ("role bonus"-style), and flat bonuses tend to make little difference in the long run.

But in this case CCP appears to have gone for a flat bonus...
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-01-27 14:44:41 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:

EDIT: After getting some testing the 10% faction probe launcher is still not enough to scan down a unprobable fit ship with max skills. You Need a Virtue Set to Even probe down. Virtues cost quite a bit and only a very few have them, therefore unscannable fits are still viable.


Of course you need a virtue set. And the extra implant too (forget the name) but if you are setup with the implants the fact that you can scan someone without needing sisters probes adds a whole new level of risk when you see probes out in space...
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#7 - 2012-01-27 20:32:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Soon Shin
Cyniac wrote:
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:

EDIT: After getting some testing the 10% faction probe launcher is still not enough to scan down a unprobable fit ship with max skills. You Need a Virtue Set to Even probe down. Virtues cost quite a bit and only a very few have them, therefore unscannable fits are still viable.


Of course you need a virtue set. And the extra implant too (forget the name) but if you are setup with the implants the fact that you can scan someone without needing sisters probes adds a whole new level of risk when you see probes out in space...


You do realize that a full set of low grade virtue implant set will cost you 2 billion isk. Not to mention most pilots don't have maxed scanning skills.

Now try to find a pilot with max probing skills AND a 2 billion isk Virtue set with Highest grade prospector hardwiring, flying in a covert op ship with sisters probe and probe launcher.

That eliminates 99% of probers out in eve. Even a max skilled prober will take time to scan you down, by the time he fully locks you, you'll have noticed and warp away, making him repeat again.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-01-30 12:21:15 UTC
Soon Shin wrote:
You do realize that a full set of low grade virtue implant set will cost you 2 billion isk. Not to mention most pilots don't have maxed scanning skills.

Now try to find a pilot with max probing skills AND a 2 billion isk Virtue set with Highest grade prospector hardwiring, flying in a covert op ship with sisters probe and probe launcher.

That eliminates 99% of probers out in eve. Even a max skilled prober will take time to scan you down, by the time he fully locks you, you'll have noticed and warp away, making him repeat again.



The real difference now is that same maxed out prober does not need to use sisters probes, making his approach all that much easier because prior to the change to the strength of the sisters launchers you *had* to have sisters probes or you would not be able to get a lock.

Most people who operate in null or low with "unscannable" ships are not concerned about normal probes on d-scan because they know that normal probes could not catch them.

Now I am acutely aware how rare maxed out probers are - however for those out there hunting just became a lot easier because I predict quite a few complacent targets will be caught before everyone is aware of how this change affects previously unscannable setups.

Two other thoughts - yes maxed out scanning pilots are a rarity, but on average they tend to spend more time scanning than other pilots, are much faster at it and are far more competent than you seem to think - you will get consistently less than 10 seconds to detect probes on d-scan against a good prober.