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To the Minmatar Pilot who destroyed my vessal
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Xideinis
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2012-01-19 07:01:36 UTC
It's truly a wonder your slave even survived. The survival rates for capsuleer ship crews is astonishingly low.
Reann Amelana
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-01-19 08:56:55 UTC
Who is this Kybernetes Moros's? Furthermore what has he to do with the safe passage of my property?
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#23 - 2012-01-19 11:57:22 UTC
Reann Amelana wrote:
Who is this Kybernetes Moros's? Furthermore what has he to do with the safe passage of my property?


Doctor Kybernetes Moros is a corp-mate of mine who happens to look exactly like you, except that you look like you eat more sandwiches.

It has nothing to do with the recovery of your property, however I highly doubt that the republic are going to actively help bring him into your "care" again.

Considering that you decided to drag him through the Republic in an ill advised slave-raiding mission, I doubt he will choose to come back. You will consider yourself lucky if he hasn't tried to get his family back in other ways.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#24 - 2012-01-19 13:29:35 UTC
Reann Amelana wrote:
Who is this Kybernetes Moros's? Furthermore what has he to do with the safe passage of my property?


From the contents of this thread, it looks as though he could, indeed, ensure safe passage of your "property" far more competently than you.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#25 - 2012-01-19 14:29:13 UTC
I'm no political science expert, but between this incident and the shooting of pacifists merely accused (and not proven of) theft....I think PIE has lost some face.
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#26 - 2012-01-19 16:40:13 UTC
Reann Amelana wrote:
We are all bound to the will of God, it is a pity you are so blind to see it. I am sure that my slave would be wanting to return home as soon as he is able, or do you enjoy seperating a man from his family?
It was obviously God's will to remove that person from your possession. Stop working against God's will, and you might one day see the light.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2012-01-19 17:06:26 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
I'm no political science expert, but between this incident and the shooting of pacifists merely accused (and not proven of) theft....I think PIE has lost some face.


Pilot at war with PIE in not agreeing with PIE's activities shocker.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Reann Amelana
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-01-19 20:18:10 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Reann Amelana wrote:
We are all bound to the will of God, it is a pity you are so blind to see it. I am sure that my slave would be wanting to return home as soon as he is able, or do you enjoy seperating a man from his family?
It was obviously God's will to remove that person from your possession. Stop working against God's will, and you might one day see the light.


I think you will find i have asked that he be allowed to return, and have requested that he be cared for. It may be that God has deemed him worthy to spread his holy word amongst the heathens and if this is the case i shall be glad for him, and yet regret the lose to his family.

I would ask though, if you are not willing to assist in the escorting of him to safe space and allowing him to choose his own course, rather than forcefeeding him and us with the hate the tribes espouce that you refrain from commenting further.

Granted, i know it must be hard to do so when you are ruled by instinct rather than our almighty God.
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#29 - 2012-01-20 07:52:58 UTC
I find it ironic in the extreme that you Amarrians call others heathens when it was you who launched unprovoked aggressive wars for the purpose of genocide against roughly a dozen civilizations that did you no harm. Most, in fact, didn't even know of your existence before your warships blackened their skies.

If what you're offering humanity is "civilized" then I prefer to remain as a "heathen" thank you very much.
Reann Amelana
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-01-20 08:57:44 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
I find it ironic in the extreme that you Amarrians call others heathens when it was you who launched unprovoked aggressive wars for the purpose of genocide against roughly a dozen civilizations that did you no harm. Most, in fact, didn't even know of your existence before your warships blackened their skies.

If what you're offering humanity is "civilized" then I prefer to remain as a "heathen" thank you very much.


I think you will find it was an invasion by the "Elder Fleet" that was stopped by the Empire, in fact by the direct action of our Empress that has triggered the current state of conflict. Do not come here spouting your filth and propaganda in what is meant to be a request for aid!
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#31 - 2012-01-20 16:19:32 UTC
Reann Amelana wrote:
or do you enjoy seperating a man from his family?


Your Empire did that to me sixteen years ago. I haven't seen my parents since then, and all evidence indicates they're now deceased.

We don't enjoy separating a family, but the Empire sure seems to like doing so in the name of 'salvation'.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#32 - 2012-01-20 17:15:09 UTC
Reann Amelana wrote:
Nick Bete wrote:
I find it ironic in the extreme that you Amarrians call others heathens when it was you who launched unprovoked aggressive wars for the purpose of genocide against roughly a dozen civilizations that did you no harm. Most, in fact, didn't even know of your existence before your warships blackened their skies.

If what you're offering humanity is "civilized" then I prefer to remain as a "heathen" thank you very much.


I think you will find it was an invasion by the "Elder Fleet" that was stopped by the Empire, in fact by the direct action of our Empress that has triggered the current state of conflict. Do not come here spouting your filth and propaganda in what is meant to be a request for aid!


I believe he was talking much deeper in history than that, when your Empire was on an unstoppable growth.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Reann Amelana
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-01-21 11:47:46 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Reann Amelana wrote:
Nick Bete wrote:
I find it ironic in the extreme that you Amarrians call others heathens when it was you who launched unprovoked aggressive wars for the purpose of genocide against roughly a dozen civilizations that did you no harm. Most, in fact, didn't even know of your existence before your warships blackened their skies.

If what you're offering humanity is "civilized" then I prefer to remain as a "heathen" thank you very much.


I think you will find it was an invasion by the "Elder Fleet" that was stopped by the Empire, in fact by the direct action of our Empress that has triggered the current state of conflict. Do not come here spouting your filth and propaganda in what is meant to be a request for aid!


I believe he was talking much deeper in history than that, when your Empire was on an unstoppable growth.

I assume that was when we were civilising the heathens? Yes, we were enthusiastic about doing Gods work, and we always will be. The reasons for the current change in tactics as to the spreading of Gods word should be taken up with the Clergy, of which i am certainly not one.

Pilot Bete, you will find that those people were assimilated into our Empire and as you can ask the Ealur, Udorians, Khanid and the Ni-Kunni if they were subject to genocide, the fact that you can ask this suggests otherwise wouldn't you think? But of course it is easier to fling insults rather than subject yourself to the will of God is it not?
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#34 - 2012-01-29 02:59:47 UTC
Dear Reann Amelana,
Let me introduce myself. My name is Theobar Cresthill, son of Theosotar Cresthill of the Cresthill holders. I am a recent graduate of the Imperial Academy, member of the 24th Imperial Crusade. I am but a humble servant of God and Empire as has been my family for generations.

I have been quite distraught at the lack of faithfulness and understanding of the great mission of mercy that true Amarrian holders have to shepherd the wayward children to God. Then I read this thread. You are a kindred spirit.

I understand the grief and concern you feel for your brave slave that was part of your crew. I too, have slaves as crew members. The dangers we share together help us to understand the discipline and hardship that bring us closer to God. My slave crews, like yours are brave and are becoming enlightened under the careful guidance of we who are charged to "hold them" for God. I sincerely hope that the pilot who took your crew member will return him.

What so many do not understand is the love that true holders have for those they hold. After the dangers of a mission, we pray, give thanks to God; even sup together. I read the scriptures to them and teach them from them. These wayward ones, as you say, will one day be full followers of God and comrades in God's cause. The Cresthills have seen this time and again as I am sure your family has.

It sounds like your family and my family are cut from similar cloth. If there is anything the Cresthills can do to help, please let us know.

Sincerely,

Theobar Cresthill

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Vetr Saken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-01-29 10:01:46 UTC
Reann Amelana wrote:
I assume that was when we were civilising the heathens? Yes, we were enthusiastic about doing Gods work, and we always will be. The reasons for the current change in tactics as to the spreading of Gods word should be taken up with the Clergy, of which i am certainly not one.
Perhaps the true faithful amongst the Amarr should be taking this question up with their clergy: Why are the Amarr clergy so utterly contemptuous of their God?

You say you’re enthusiastic about ‘doing God’s work’: yet that implies, quite strongly, that you believe that God requires mere humans to do His work for Him. That’s ridiculous. Not only because it implies you think you’re capable of comprehending God’s will, in turn implying that you are at least close to being His equals; but also because it strongly suggests that God needs your help; and finally, that you believe you’re capable of effectively undertaking the work of a divine being.

If God is as the Amarr describe Him, then He should be able to execute His will perfectly well without your rather pretentious efforts to assist Him. If He does indeed require your assistance, then by definition He’s not what you insist He is.

Quote:
But of course it is easier to fling insults rather than subject yourself to the will of God is it not?
If your God is what you claim Him to be, then it is clearly His will that some people should fling insults: your question here suggests a conflict that isn’t there. You, purporting to be a faithful follower of God, must accept that those who fling insults are as subject to the will of God as you are, and are complying with it faithfully. To believe otherwise is to believe that your God has limited power over His creation and that events can unfold otherwise than in accordance with His design. That’s insulting to the being you describe as God.

On the other hand, if you’re going to argue that God has given us all free will, then it’s hardly an act of faith to deny others that very free will that God has granted them. And what else is slavery – so central to your ‘holy’ Empire – than the deliberate, persistent denial of free will?
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#36 - 2012-01-29 10:53:34 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
The dangers we share together


Until such day as you choose to not be recloned Captain you will never share the dangers your crew do. You can wake up the next morning after your mistakes get you killed, your crew however don't enjoy such liberty.

It's a foolish notion to claim we risk as much as those who work aboard our ships, they risk more than we'll ever have as long as we choose immortality.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Reann Amelana
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-01-30 10:36:36 UTC
Captain Cresthill,

Thank you for your offer, I am an ensign with PIE and intend on continuing to do Gods work. It is always good to hear of other Nobles sacrificing so much to honour her Imperial highnesses word, to bring Gods blessing on the chosen few among our Slave populous and grant them high honour before God.

Captain Saken, you have one chance to bow to Gods word, after that you shall become as dust on the wind. Your contempt and ignorance is evident for all to see, try reading a part of the Scriptures before revealing your foolishness and ignorance. You question that which you have the tiniest fraction of knowledge of. Even I as a minor Holder who has been brought up revering the word of God cannot claim a huge amount of knowledge of the scriptures, and when in doubt I consult the clergy, perhaps you should try visiting one our Monasteries, who knows maybe the word of god may come through to you there. Granted your tone suggests that you are close-minded and are here to attempt to "prove" how little god means to you, In which case you have my pity.

Captain Marellus, i think you do not understand the sacrifices that we make as Pod Pilots? You are aware no doubt of the succession trials? and the rules involved in them, why the Hiers may not be cloned? My crew are brave and noble men, and as yet, I have not been podded, Long may God grant me that mercy, as he has often spared the lives of my crew and slaves. God is the only one who chooses, not man, and those who are cloned are not the same as those who die pure in body. Our Holy Empress was saved and returned to us and is the proof of Gods will as his Avatar in our realm, accept her words, come to us, and we will help you attain your salvation.

Spurn her and we will meet you with the fires of Gods wrath, which he has blessed us with.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#38 - 2012-01-30 14:04:36 UTC
Vetr Saken wrote:
Reann Amelana wrote:
I assume that was when we were civilising the heathens? Yes, we were enthusiastic about doing Gods work, and we always will be. The reasons for the current change in tactics as to the spreading of Gods word should be taken up with the Clergy, of which i am certainly not one.
Perhaps the true faithful amongst the Amarr should be taking this question up with their clergy: Why are the Amarr clergy so utterly contemptuous of their God?

You say you’re enthusiastic about ‘doing God’s work’: yet that implies, quite strongly, that you believe that God requires mere humans to do His work for Him. That’s ridiculous. Not only because it implies you think you’re capable of comprehending God’s will, in turn implying that you are at least close to being His equals; but also because it strongly suggests that God needs your help; and finally, that you believe you’re capable of effectively undertaking the work of a divine being.

If God is as the Amarr describe Him, then He should be able to execute His will perfectly well without your rather pretentious efforts to assist Him. If He does indeed require your assistance, then by definition He’s not what you insist He is.

Quote:
But of course it is easier to fling insults rather than subject yourself to the will of God is it not?
If your God is what you claim Him to be, then it is clearly His will that some people should fling insults: your question here suggests a conflict that isn’t there. You, purporting to be a faithful follower of God, must accept that those who fling insults are as subject to the will of God as you are, and are complying with it faithfully. To believe otherwise is to believe that your God has limited power over His creation and that events can unfold otherwise than in accordance with His design. That’s insulting to the being you describe as God.

On the other hand, if you’re going to argue that God has given us all free will, then it’s hardly an act of faith to deny others that very free will that God has granted them. And what else is slavery – so central to your ‘holy’ Empire – than the deliberate, persistent denial of free will?


As a former student of the scripture, let me stop you there.

The fact of the matter is that over the course of tens of millenia, the Amarr Empire has had time to iron out the little theological kinks like this. This sort of criticism might work for a religion that has only been around for a couple of thousand years, but not so for the Athran faith.

Scripture teaches that The Amarr are God's chosen servants in the world, and that he acts through them. Some discussion can be had of what, exactly, the word Amarr means. Some believe it means the specific race on Athra. Others believe it means anyone who has truely accepted the teachings of the Amarrian scripture.

If you accept the Amarrian Scripture as your basis of argument, then this paradox is already ironed out.

It's just like people who try to claim that God can not be Omnipresent, Omniscient, and All Benevolent in a world where Evil exists. Indeed. The Amarr never claimed God was benevolent.

Give my former colleagues that much, they have had time to become at least internally consistent in their fairytale.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2012-01-30 14:15:34 UTC
Vetr Saken wrote:
Reann Amelana wrote:
I assume that was when we were civilising the heathens? Yes, we were enthusiastic about doing Gods work, and we always will be. The reasons for the current change in tactics as to the spreading of Gods word should be taken up with the Clergy, of which i am certainly not one.
Perhaps the true faithful amongst the Amarr should be taking this question up with their clergy: Why are the Amarr clergy so utterly contemptuous of their God?

You say you’re enthusiastic about ‘doing God’s work’: yet that implies, quite strongly, that you believe that God requires mere humans to do His work for Him. That’s ridiculous. Not only because it implies you think you’re capable of comprehending God’s will, in turn implying that you are at least close to being His equals; but also because it strongly suggests that God needs your help; and finally, that you believe you’re capable of effectively undertaking the work of a divine being.

If God is as the Amarr describe Him, then He should be able to execute His will perfectly well without your rather pretentious efforts to assist Him. If He does indeed require your assistance, then by definition He’s not what you insist He is.

Quote:
But of course it is easier to fling insults rather than subject yourself to the will of God is it not?
If your God is what you claim Him to be, then it is clearly His will that some people should fling insults: your question here suggests a conflict that isn’t there. You, purporting to be a faithful follower of God, must accept that those who fling insults are as subject to the will of God as you are, and are complying with it faithfully. To believe otherwise is to believe that your God has limited power over His creation and that events can unfold otherwise than in accordance with His design. That’s insulting to the being you describe as God.

On the other hand, if you’re going to argue that God has given us all free will, then it’s hardly an act of faith to deny others that very free will that God has granted them. And what else is slavery – so central to your ‘holy’ Empire – than the deliberate, persistent denial of free will?


God is benevolent towards his creation, and one of his greatest gifts to humanity is free will.

So whilst He could force people to do anything He wants, He chooses not to in order to preserve our free will. That's not to say that He doesn't want us all to behave in a certain way, and that's why He has given the people of Amarr a task (which we have freely accepted) to spread His word and educate humanity.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#40 - 2012-01-30 17:50:29 UTC
Reann Amelana wrote:


...Captain Marellus, i think you do not understand the sacrifices that we make as Pod Pilots? You are aware no doubt of the succession trials? and the rules involved in them, why the Hiers may not be cloned? ...Our Holy Empress was saved and returned to us and is the proof of Gods will as his Avatar in our realm....



It's considered poor salesmanship to point out the defects in your own product.

Your dear empress violated one of the most time honored traditions of your people by being resurrected via the cloning process. There was nothing divine about her return. It was mortal science and technology that allowed her to cheat death, nothing more.

Also my prior statements were not intended as insults. I was merely pointing out a historical fact. Over the centuries your ancestors first conquered the other peoples of Athra then, after mastering spaceflight, expanded your aggressive campaign of genocide to the stars. This is fact. You may attempt to twist that fact to suit your particular ideology but, the fact remains.

As to your quip about the subjects of your conquests; I suspect that the races you mentioned did not lie awake at night praying to a supernatural entity to be physically enslaved, to have their distinct cultures and traditions wiped out and replaced by yours, or after x number of generations allowed to become inferior "citizens" within your empire whose sole purpose is to serve their dual masters; your deity and yourselves.

But, I suppose that it's easier to fling poor logic and insults than attempt to persuade others with facts.