Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree with the OP.

The drake is not over powered, it just is a good Caldari PvP ship. It does not do a whole lot of damage, but it can do consistent damage. The tank is strong, but usually needs active modules to make it strong.

Considering how many Caldari pilots there are, and how many hone the races skill for PvE, it is no wonder the ship is used in PvP the most.

Furthermore, the number of kills with the Drake has been on the decline. The hurricane has surpassed it in some months. Getting other ships in the #1 and #2 spot should be the real priority. Give the Mymidon back its 5 heavy drones and you would have a Gallente ship in those spots ASAP.

For the Drake to use HAMs it would need a complete overhaul. By the time the devs were done, it would no longer be a Caldari ship.

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30km actually, and that extra distance makes a lot more difference than you'd think considering missiles range is slightly less than on paper. The current 20km theoretical range is actually more like 18 or less vs a target that's moving.


No, because that's a hilarious lolfit. LSE + 2 invul is how you tank a Drake.


That's relative. When you get down to applied DPS, it's as ganky or more so than the other BCs (with the exception of a point-blank range Brutix) and that's with HAMs. At long ranges it leaves every other BC in the dust.


Not really, no. It's a perfectly fine HAM ship as it is, and even more so with this change. The only thing it arguably needs is a 5% grid buff there.

Drake is owerpowered in neeed to be balanced

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If the Drake is going to be changed to make it more "specialized"... why is its tank being taken away? The Drake's claim to fame was its tank and it blows my mind how the very people who designed it don't realize that.

It's just going to become some sort of ****** sibling of the Raven and Caracal after these changes. Heavy Missiles have a good range already, the extra range is useless to me. If it needs to be changed, I'd much rather have its resistance bonus doubled and damage bonus taken away. There, now it's specialized. (Not that it would make a difference anyways, I'd just drop a Shield Relay for a Ballistic Control Unit).

Hearing about this made me switch training into projectiles. Honestly, there's so few decent missile ships as it is, it's a bad idea to tinker with the ones that work.

Actually for years they laughed at it and said it was good for nothing but bait

I'm going to have to agree with this.

Training past heavy missiles is pretty pointless, unless you're gonna be flying a stealth bomber.
Why would anyone train to get into a raven, or any other caldari bs be it t1 or t2 when they have the drake which is better than the raven, and the tengu which is better at pve than any other caldari ship, and better at pvp than any other caldari ship.
Even if you wanna consider the Golem being used in pve, the tengu still out matches it because it's capable of more tank, more effective dps without target painters, moves faster, and has much stronger sensors.

Now, when you look at t2 ships, they're very specific. The problem is that not very many people in Eve want to limited themselves to a ship that serves only one specific role such as logistics, cap warfare, ecm, etc etc... Which is pretty much ALL of the caldari t2 lineup apart from the stealth bomber and the heavy assault ships, which to be honest, I rarely see heavy assault ships being flown around, expecially caldari H.A..

The drake is popular amongst players because you can build an effective fit with less skill than many other ships in game. Not to mention its passive tanking ability gives it plenty of cap to be able to fit ewar, microwarps, etc.etc...

This same case can be made with the Tengu.. it's popular because it's multifunctional, and capable of performing in most situations.....
Hell, even if you're gonna train for t2 caldari ships, then apart from the Golem and the bomber, you're better off just training for heavy missiles clear across the board.. You'll probably even perform better with heavy missiles on a widow than you will with torps or cruise.

So back to what this guy said.. It's not a matter of the drake being so good, it's a matter of Caldari, and missile boats expecially, not having a better choice.

I'm opposed to this nerf since that means that drakes will be extra double nerfed if the proposed changes to rigs go through and passive tanks reduce your velocity.

We have enough useless ships in this game.

If by 'bulldozer' you mean 'easily one shotted and unable to move faster than 75 kmps' then yes.

The Drake isn't over powered, its just the only BC left with enough tank / damage projection to stand upto the new teir3 BC's. None of the other BC's can possibly take on a tier BC, as to tank them it makes them incredibly slow and as such will get kited and killed. Or they nano fit, and sacrifice tank, however the tier3s are far faster than standard BC's even nano'ed and cannot project their dps out to the range in which they are being kited.

Drake vs Tornado
Drake vs Talos
Drake vs Naga

The above are all equal fights because the drake can tank, and project its dps out past 20km. Arty canes and beam harby's can do this, but will have not enough tank to stay on the field. (I know I have missed rails, but rails only work on kiting frigates atm)

The main problem is Minmatar ships are too optional on when they engage / dont engage... they just run away. Which leads them to become very popular as no-one likes losing. So as such, Minmatar is very popular and is deemed ''the pvp race'' where as if it was just Caldari, Amarr, Gallente ships flying in space the general speed of ships would drop and therefore the battleship tank of the drake would become OP, but its lower dps would become under powered.

The loss of the drakes resists isnt that bad tbh, in a pure gank vs tank situation, its dps has gone up.. but its tank has gone down. SO you do dps quicker but die faster. Seen as it had tank to spare in the first place, you just going to have to keep range abit more to mitigate damage.

The drake is pretty much the only ship im flying at the moment, because its the only ''cheap'' pvp ship which can deal with a variety of situations. These situations mainly being blobs... as the drakes tank, ~speed (ability to run mwd for a long time) and projected damage mean it can actually go where no Bc has gone before ;) ..... this is especially true with Loki boosts as the point and web @ 43km and 20km respectively mean you can keep traditional bc's at the edge of the dps/falloff/highdps range/ammo.. while you still project your dps at full strength onto them.

Rambling on, but just my experience from flying it allot, to the point im bored of it.

TL:DR
- Game is Broke
- Drake Change = Buff
- Harb, Proph, Brutix, Myrm, Ferox, Cyclone, Cane, all have max dps range of 20km (minus arty cane)
- Harb, Proph, Brutix, Myrm, Ferox, Cyclone, all have to commit to a fight (scram/web range) to do decent dps.
- Tier3 BC's go too fast ~ they should have same based speed as the tier2 bc's.

- Minmatar are too run away based... make them more active tanked as their ''neiche'' like gallente are (i.e rep bonus)
- Gallente are getting there - drone damage mod is win ;) ... you can get 800dps out a shield thorax/vexor.
- Diemost needs a 4th med slot.

If you really want to nerf the drake, make it a HAM only platform like the sac. ~ i.e bring its projected dps inline with the other BC's as a HAM drake can only hit to 10-15km with damage missiles, then if it wants to ''kite'' the speed nerf on range ham's will make it so the armor varients have a fair chance to catch it.