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Khanid, Vherokior, Achura, and Jin-Mei Battleships
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Dark Deviant
Stain Train
Good Sax
#1 - 2011-09-15 19:37:31 UTC
Who else wants to see a race specific Battle Ship for the newer races in EVE?

I for one would love to see a: Khanid themed, black hulled, torpedo/cruise throwing, armor tanked Battleship when CCP balances ships in the upcoming winter expansion.

C'mon, you know you want one too!
Otto Weston
Pod Goo Extraction Agency
#2 - 2011-09-15 21:37:28 UTC
Well, there are loads of pirate factions that need to come, each of which would be great to have in the winter expansion. Hint Hint, CCP.

I for two, would like to see a Khanid Battleship, but I would also like to see a Carthum Abbaddon :D etc. etc. Hell I'd accept a Khanid Abbadon, I just want a T2 Baddon :D

Seconded
Everything's Air Droppable at least once.
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-09-15 22:05:50 UTC
Not until we get Amarr/Gallente faction ships (pirate or otherwise).
Kadesh Priestess
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#4 - 2011-09-15 22:45:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kadesh Priestess
Bloodline can't develop a ship, RnD corporation does it. While Khanid Innovation ships are widespread (and beloved <3 ), i don't see any RnD corp for other bloodlines.
Varcaus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-09-16 00:18:15 UTC
Jin-Mei ship would be pretty awesome
Cajmere
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-09-16 19:28:09 UTC
I would rather CCP spent its resources on fixing and balancing the game instead of shoving more hulls into space.

First things first...
Ansol
DJO Corp
#7 - 2011-09-16 19:34:02 UTC
Obligatory "fix the game first" post
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
#8 - 2011-09-16 19:38:33 UTC
Almost anything in 'Kaalakiota colours' is good in my book. A kaalakiota Rokh, but why stick with racism? I thnk it's about time the R&D companies switched hulls. Black and red looks good on almost any hull.
Dark Deviant
Stain Train
Good Sax
#9 - 2011-09-16 22:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Dark Deviant
Cajmere wrote:
I would rather CCP spent its resources on fixing and balancing the game instead of shoving more hulls into space.

First things first...

I respect this perspective.

Not having an Amar missile battleship is a balance issue. I recall damage types being a reason why Amar T2 ships had missile boat options. It allowed for more damage types. Not having a BS version is a balance issue. Inquiring about a missile battleship is just as viable a request as adding a third mid-slot to some Amar ship designs in the name of balance.

It is the only race specific play-style that stops short of battleship. It is an incomplete concept. That needs to be fixed.

There are five Amar specific battleship options (two navy and three regular). Change one of these five ships to have a missile bonus. Isn't four laser options enough? To maintain the Khanid theme, I'd recommend one of the 'navy' versions. Twisted Khanid players are already use to paying more for their Amar missile boats!

Simply put, there needs to be one Amar-themed Battleship with missile bonuses. There are multiple ships that could have a bonus change. That would balance out the race's BS options. It would ensure continuity of the missile play-style within the Amar race.

Edit: Introduction of a new hull could also be used to help balance other issues. A Caldari BS with tracking, damage and optimal bonuses would go a long way. It doesn't have to be a 'new' hull. It can be a recolored one with different bonuses. There is no level 3 BS with a navy version...

Anyway, i got off topic and my edit brings it BACK on topic.
Joss56
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-09-16 22:19:49 UTC
Cajmere wrote:
I would rather CCP spent its resources on fixing and balancing the game instead of shoving more hulls into space.

First things first...



This
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-09-17 00:18:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Wylee Coyote
Dark Deviant wrote:
Cajmere wrote:
I would rather CCP spent its resources on fixing and balancing the game instead of shoving more hulls into space.

First things first...

I respect this perspective.

Not having an Amar missile battleship is a balance issue. I recall damage types being a reason why Amar T2 ships had missile boat options. It allowed for more damage types. Not having a BS version is a balance issue. Inquiring about a missile battleship is just as viable a request as adding a third mid-slot to some Amar ship designs in the name of balance.

It is the only race specific play-style that stops short of battleship. It is an incomplete concept. That needs to be fixed.

There are five Amar specific battleship options (two navy and three regular). Change one of these five ships to have a missile bonus. Isn't four laser options enough? To maintain the Khanid theme, I'd recommend one of the 'navy' versions. Twisted Khanid players are already use to paying more for their Amar missile boats!

Simply put, there needs to be one Amar-themed Battleship with missile bonuses. There are multiple ships that could have a bonus change. That would balance out the race's BS options. It would ensure continuity of the missile play-style within the Amar race.

Edit: Introduction of a new hull could also be used to help balance other issues. A Caldari BS with tracking, damage and optimal bonuses would go a long way. It doesn't have to be a 'new' hull. It can be a recolored one with different bonuses. There is no level 3 BS with a navy version...

Anyway, i got off topic and my edit brings it BACK on topic.


Signed and signed.

I'd like to amend my first post;
1. Balance game (to include a missile battleship class hull for Amarr)
2. Creat Amarr<->Gallente faction ships (as that's/those are currently the only ship class combo that have no representation).
3. Other stuff
Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni
#12 - 2011-09-17 01:17:21 UTC
Khanid Apoc with 7 Missle Launchers and bonus to armor resist and launch time plocks
Sassaniak
Deadspace Zombie Factory
#13 - 2011-09-17 01:32:06 UTC
Minmatar / Gallente - Macharial, Vindicator, Cynabal, Vigilant, Daredevil, Dramiel
Minmatar / Amarr - Bhaalagorn, Ashimmu, Cruor

Caldari / Gallente - Rattlesnake, Gila, Worm
Caldari / Amarr - Nightmare, Phantasm, Succubus


Caldari / Minmatar - ?
Gallente / Amarr - ?

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Sometimes, you all make me very disappointed.
Freako X
Doom Inc
#14 - 2011-09-17 04:40:29 UTC
Hmmmm. A Gallente (I suppose Caldari could have this too) BS with 5% damage and 7.5% increase in tracking and falloff range.

Or, 5% increase in rate of fire and 7.5% tracking and reduced capacitor use per level of BS skill.

That would sure beat a damage and armor repair bonus ....... or falloff range and shield resist.
Zenith Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-09-17 10:09:29 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Zymurgist
Dark Deviant wrote:
Who else wants to see a race specific Battle Ship for the newer races in EVE?

I for one would love to see a: Khanid themed, black hulled, torpedo/cruise throwing, armor tanked Battleship when CCP balances ships in the upcoming winter expansion.

C'mon, you know you want one too!

Yes, all these we could get, without this gayfest in space... New ships, comets, new stuff to space.

Fashion losers have their own games...

EVE used to be cold and harsh

Trolling removed. Zymurgist
Dark Deviant
Stain Train
Good Sax
#16 - 2011-09-17 17:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Zymurgist
Zenith Intaki wrote:
Dark Deviant wrote:
Who else wants to see a race specific Battle Ship for the newer races in EVE?

I for one would love to see a: Khanid themed, black hulled, torpedo/cruise throwing, armor tanked Battleship when CCP balances ships in the upcoming winter expansion.

C'mon, you know you want one too!

Yes, all these we could get, without this gayfest in space... New ships, comets, new stuff to space.

Fashion losers have their own games...

EVE used to be cold and harsh

Focus on game-pew-pew-choices!

A missile throwing, balance and play-style correcting, Amar battleship would make me feel like: I just had sex!

Off topic parts removed. Zymurgist
Sassaniak
Deadspace Zombie Factory
#17 - 2011-09-17 19:17:31 UTC
be for this gets too far into analyzing that guy's phobias and repressions,

can we all just remember for a second that i still need my amarr/gallente ship?

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Sometimes, you all make me very disappointed.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#18 - 2011-09-17 22:05:37 UTC
Wow. This thread has gone from meh to shockingly bad.

Khanid Innovations ships are indeed armor/unguided missile hybrids. And having another one of them might make sense. Might. But this is just wrong:

Dark Deviant wrote:
Not having an Amar missile battleship is a balance issue. I recall damage types being a reason why Amar T2 ships had missile boat options. It allowed for more damage types. Not having a BS version is a balance issue. Inquiring about a missile battleship is just as viable a request as adding a third mid-slot to some Amar ship designs in the name of balance.

It is the only race specific play-style that stops short of battleship. It is an incomplete concept. That needs to be fixed.


Not only is there no torpedo-bonused Amarr BS, there is no drone-bonused Amarr BS, no energy turret-based Interdictor, no drone ship of any race in the Destroyer class, no T1 missile Destroyer, no BS-sized EWAR ship other than the Scorpion/Widow... and that's off the top of my head. Whether any or all of these should or should not be created must be argued independently based on its own merit. The fact that your personal hobby-horse is a black torp Abaddon is absolutely incidental to whether the ship needs to be created or even has a legitimate role to play in the game.
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-09-17 22:56:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Wylee Coyote
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Wow. This thread has gone from meh to shockingly bad.

Khanid Innovations ships are indeed armor/unguided missile hybrids. And having another one of them might make sense. Might. But this is just wrong:

Dark Deviant wrote:
Not having an Amar missile battleship is a balance issue. I recall damage types being a reason why Amar T2 ships had missile boat options. It allowed for more damage types. Not having a BS version is a balance issue. Inquiring about a missile battleship is just as viable a request as adding a third mid-slot to some Amar ship designs in the name of balance.

It is the only race specific play-style that stops short of battleship. It is an incomplete concept. That needs to be fixed.


Not only is there no torpedo-bonused Amarr BS, there is no drone-bonused Amarr BS, no energy turret-based Interdictor, no drone ship of any race in the Destroyer class, no T1 missile Destroyer, no BS-sized EWAR ship other than the Scorpion/Widow... and that's off the top of my head. Whether any or all of these should or should not be created must be argued independently based on its own merit. The fact that your personal hobby-horse is a black torp Abaddon is absolutely incidental to whether the ship needs to be created or even has a legitimate role to play in the game.


Show me the progression of ships to support your claim(s) and might agree.

As it stands (for amarr missile boats) it's; Inquisitor->SB->Vengeance->Sacrilege->Damnation.

No race has a T1 missile destroyer.
There is no amarr frigate drone boat or even BC+.
There is no amarr frigate Nos/Neut frigate or even BC+ (only blood raider faction, which means it's already ingame/taken care of).

There's precedence for an amarr bs missile boat. Not for the other examples however.
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#20 - 2011-09-17 23:48:42 UTC
Wylee Coyote wrote:


Not only is there no torpedo-bonused Amarr BS, there is no drone-bonused Amarr BS, no energy turret-based Interdictor, no drone ship of any race in the Destroyer class, no T1 missile Destroyer, no BS-sized EWAR ship other than the Scorpion/Widow... and that's off the top of my head. Whether any or all of these should or should not be created must be argued independently based on its own merit. The fact that your personal hobby-horse is a black torp Abaddon is absolutely incidental to whether the ship needs to be created or even has a legitimate role to play in the game.


Show me the progression of ships to support your claim(s) and might agree.

As it stands (for amarr missile boats) it's; Inquisitor->SB->Sacrilege->Damnation.
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Where does the Heretic, Vengeance, Impel, malediction, (Curse) and legion fit into this?(if bonuses are the only thing that matters I'd like to point out that the Anathema is a missile ship, and that either the ishkur is not a drone ship or the eos is. The Helios would be undoubtedly))

No race has a missile destroyer.[/quote] - except the heretic and flycatcher
Quote:

There is no amarr frigate drone boat or even BC+.
except the sentinel and if you really want to push it - the crucifier.
Quote:

There is no amarr frigate Nos/Neut frigate or even BC+ (only blood raider faction, which means it's already ingame/taken care of).
[quote] Again the sentinel, if you mix tech levels in one part, you better do it in all. [quote]
There's precedence for an amarr bs missile boat. Not for the other examples however.


If you want to get technical the only combat oriented ship from Khanid(IE damage is the focus) is the sacrilege. The stealth bomber is viziam, the damnation is primarily a fleet booster, the inquisitor is still tech one. The anathema is a prober and the Impel is a hauler. Malediction is arguably a combat ship, but I'd like to consider it a tackler primarily or we'd have to call the raptor a blaster or railgun ship, same goes for the heretic.

The point is not that it'd be impossible to defend the implementation of a torp khanid bs, the point is that there's so many many things that could be defended if implemented there's no reason the khanid bs should take any precedence. You might like the idea, but there's no gaping hole for just that and the exact same cause could be argued for a Roden cruise missile bs for gallente.
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