EVE General Discussion

28 million SP is hardly a "new player".

the clone system acts as a minor ISK sink so, its not going away anytime soon.

i've turned my account on and off a couple time's....not that i was upset with the game just had other things i had to do...

Why would you be baffled that somebody doesn't know about all the undocumented mechanics in EVE? The new player experience, while improved, is still the same crappy system it always was. Partly because its designed by a company that doesn't play it's own game. How would they know what a new player needs?

Also, there are lots of ways to have a toon that's old but the pilot still doesn't know about key functions. I played for over 2 years without knowing how to interact with the corp hanger in an Orca. For 2 years i never needed to worry about it. And then one day I did. Complex games have a lot to know. With no actual documenttion and a training system that could only be called "poor" on its best day, it isn't a mystery that people don't know the mechanics of some of the game functions. Information in EVE is tribal knowledge. If you don't look at the right cave paintings at the right time, you will miss key information.

Because this particular mechanic is not just incredibly well documented, but even comes with its own tutorial and falls squarely in the “even the newbies know this” category.

Unlike Tippia - I DO remember when I learned about this mechanic. I learned in my FIRST day of EVE during the Aura tutorials. And this was 6 years ago when there wasn't really any sort of NPE.

Wait a second. Did you train 40,000,000 SP in 19 days?!? If not, then what happened to you on the 7th in terms of skillpoint loss and why did you not update your clone then?

I think what CCP could do is make it clearer when you're flying with a clone that isn't up to date.

I mean it's great that we all use EVEMon, but the fact this warning is exclusive to third party tools seems a little silly.

I lost a few mil SP from just forgetting to upgrade my clone after losing a pod. Just in a hurry to rejoin the fight and rushed back out the door. My mistake completely.

But on a higher level, I agree that it's a needless mechanic. Eve's complexity can be good, or it can be there just for the sake of making something complicated. The whole clone/jump clone thing adds a needless layer to an already byzantine system.

Eve's community is bi-polar. People bemoan the lack of PvP going on but demand unneeded complexity and risk to even step a toe into it. Upgrading your clone is a small thing, insignificant in fact in overall game play terms- so why have it at all? We have implants and jump clones- the levels of clone for SP is a pointless addition.

I think SP's should be retained (do away with levels of clone entirely). I am all for losing MATERIAL things in battle. Implants, ships, modules, whatever.
But I think losing TIME is a big mistake. It's the one thing you can't grind back after a mistake. Eve is still just a game, and losing months of real time played is a price too steep to be reasonable for a GAME.

I really like Eve, stuck with it thru that harsh learning curve without rage-quitting. But TBH, if I just forgot to upgrade a clone and set myself back months again- I wouldn't keep playing. Gankers, losing all my implants, loser FC's and corp drama- the game is still worth it. But basically losing the months of real time I've put into Eve-- is the only thing that would actually make me just pack it in. No game is worth that to me, not just Eve.

LOL you lost TWO clones? You would have thought you had learnt the first time, you are a n00b alright but its not in terms of age or skillpoints, more of intelligence