EVE General Discussion

I heard that a lot of people are putting themselves up this time and i would not mind reading there manifesto

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Is there anywhere we can look at last years manifestos from the winners and look at how much they achieved as regards what they set out to do

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I have heard that Andski has put himself forward for the CSM council. Has Mittans the mighty authorised this.

And that's why EVE elections also fail. There is no central area for candidates to post other that to be found at random on news blogs of hiding somewhere in general discussion, jita park or some other forum thread. That's also why the null sec blocks to well. They don't need any of that. They just vote the party line like they're told to.

Last election cycle there was a great third party tool that helped filter out candidates by the choices you entered into the questionare. It also gave youa visual chart of how the candidates stood in comparison to what you were looking for in a candidate.

However, I have to agree with Trebor on one of his recent blogs. The big null sec alliances have a lock on elections since they don't have to actually have to do much to get the required numbers of voters. Independant candidates have a near impossible task. They have to either be in the big alliances or be space-famous like Jester (who also brought the same point up).

That is why voting at all is pretty well worthless. CSM7 elections are over before they even get started. Look forward to even more big alliance buffs and all other spacwe and mechanics nerfed. Kind of like CSM6.

No central area? There is a forum area specifically for this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=268

If CCP's moderation team actually did their jobs for more than 30minutes per day maybe the relevant CSM threads that get strewn around EVE GD would get moved where they belong.

Ive got to disagree with this. All mittans has to do is tell his minions to vote his way and thats a few thousand votes straight away. A highsec independant has to work so much harder and actively get in touch with people and there is no formal way of doing that.

OK, it is a little easier for alliance leaders like The Mittani to organize their minions, maybe because they spent the whole year organizing them and keeping them in line.
But noone said that a high sec candidate has to do everything on his own. I for one would be happy to support any halfway decent candidate, if only to annoy the hell out of the mighty godfathers of Null. And I am sure there are many others that would be willing to help as well.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=warning&l=http%3a%2f%2ftreborofthecsm.blogspot.com%2f2012%2f01%2fcold-equations-of-csm-election.html&domain=treborofthecsm.blogspot.com

Okay. I don't know if the link will work or not but its from Trebor's post in the Jita Park thread. Basically it states that there is little way that anyone outside the powerblocks can get enough votes. As stated earlier, Jester's trek blog also has a post about it.

No, Padawan. You will not have an equal opportunity.

When the goons were able to elect a chairman with (being liberal) 2% of the subscriber population it speaks to the voter apathy of the majority of players, not some sort of inherent unfairness in the system.

The voting players interested in the election decided on a group of candidates, end of story.

Your claims that it is somehow easier for nullsec entities ignores all the effort that goes into the organizing, recruiting, and community building these groups do. The fact that a few players have earned the respect of a few thousand has nothing to do with a loss of equal opportunity, as it's equally possible for you to do the same-- you just don't.

You make a huge assumption that highsec pilots are too lazy to vote. That's an easy way to gloss over the many problems with the voting system, first being the actual understanding of what the CSM was meant to be. There has never been an actual clear explanation of what the CSM is supposed to do so how do you relay that to a player base whose bulk wisely stays off the forums? If they don't read the forums, they won't know anything about the CSM or what it should do for them.

Even if one did read the forums, then (as stated earlier) you are relying on nameless moderators to properly organize the threads. Currently, its hard to figure out how they determine what threads get locked or not let alone handle election material in a fair and efficient manner.

Then you have the new petition system required to be concidered for a candidate. ANyone really know how that's being handled? Who's doing the screening for that? I'm sure it will be handled fairly though.......

That's why the big null alliances have the advantage. They have none of these roadblocks since they just need their alliances to vote for them and they're in. Done.

I hope you aren't counting on Mittens to push for player understanding on this, or any topic. His time as Chairman should serve as an example of how you should never act in the position of representing anyone or anything. He has probably done more damage to the concept of the CSM and its roll in EVE than any other person in the game. Frankly, after that bit of showmanship I am in favor of disbanding the CSM. I like the idea but the execution was beyond bad.

As I think very few people who play EVE have never heard of the CSM I would argue they just don't have that much of an interest in voting for 'space-elections' in what is just a casual experience for them. Which is fine, that's their decision.

Why should someone who doesn't want to or won't bridge that gap have a say in a player body that helps CCP through the vetting of ideas and game mechanics?

Good point, if bad people where chosen for CSM or were corrupted. CCP might just grow tired of listening to them talk and Axe the whole thing or do another election. Suppose the players could ax CSM this election or CCP could as well if it didnt go well.