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Afk mining what's the beef?

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Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#21 - 2012-01-29 13:14:56 UTC
Aldeskwatso wrote:
Being AFK while mining doesn't bother me at all (tho it aint smart). As long as you are manually controlling your hulk when you need to shift to a different roid etc. Doing it with a 3rd party program and effectively macro mining should be relentlessly hammered down without any remorse. It's unfair to those who spend the time doing it the right way as they are intended to through the built in mechanics of the game.

If CCP meant to have it automated to that degree then they would have built in the option.


Oh I agree totally. I respect the game and the people within too much to cheat like that. All done by hand. I know it ant smart but I don't want to sit in font of the computer getting fat. I want to do stuff. It's a choice of not play eve to do my stuff or do both. And with afk mining I can do both. Theirs only a few things I have beef with. 1st is can flippers. Hate those people, second is hulkagadon which gets people to actively hunt miners in high sec. I know why they do it but still hate it. The only reason I choose hulk is the cargo space. I'm not too fussed on mining speed but I might just drop down to converter. Much less costly. However when I get enough I might just get an orca.. It's shields and armour should hold off most ships until reinforcements come in. 5years ago I use to mine in an iteron. A single mining laser but no drones. So when the rats came in I had to warp out.
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#22 - 2012-01-29 13:18:49 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
But OP surely has a point. The question is: with an activity as tedious as mining, how could you NOT be afk while doing it?
Survival tip: if you only mine in cheap t1 barges, suicide ganking becomes uneconomical and you will most likely be left alone.


Yea point noted. Been thinking about going back to converter
Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-01-29 13:25:06 UTC
Maxious wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
But OP surely has a point. The question is: with an activity as tedious as mining, how could you NOT be afk while doing it?
Survival tip: if you only mine in cheap t1 barges, suicide ganking becomes uneconomical and you will most likely be left alone.


Yea point noted. Been thinking about going back to converter


[cynical]Try a "covetor", something a genuine miner would know about after so many years.[/cynical]
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#24 - 2012-01-29 13:29:42 UTC
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:
Well Maxious according to your KB you lost a hulk 3 months ago, and your previous industral loss was a coveter 2 years ago. Other than that you only have a procurer and an iteron on record as soft target losses previous to that since 05.

I hardly would say thats a cause for a "realistic" concern, even though no-one likes a loss at the end of the day?

I honestly don't think the killbord shows everything. not long ago I was soloing a mission when someone popped in to steal my loot. I blew them up, and his mate as well that was backing him up. Using only drones I kills both the scout ship and the destroyer. But the killbord only showed the scout kill. I don't really care if you beleve me or not I know what happened and I know that the killbord did not show everything. Ok 5 hulks may have been an Hyperbalaby as I can't remember every ship I lost in the past 6and a half years. But I think 5 is very close to the mark if not more
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-01-29 13:30:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:
Maxious wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
But OP surely has a point. The question is: with an activity as tedious as mining, how could you NOT be afk while doing it?
Survival tip: if you only mine in cheap t1 barges, suicide ganking becomes uneconomical and you will most likely be left alone.


Yea point noted. Been thinking about going back to converter


[cynical]Try a "covetor", something a genuine miner would know about after so many years.[/cynical]


And please take note that some suicide gankers are simply idiots, who do not care about sacrifing a ship just to kill a barge at about 1/3 the isk worth of their ships.
Those people should be considered a force of nature- there is no possible way to defend yourself against suicidal idiots with no agenda besides killboard-fappage.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#26 - 2012-01-29 13:33:43 UTC
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:
Maxious wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
But OP surely has a point. The question is: with an activity as tedious as mining, how could you NOT be afk while doing it?
Survival tip: if you only mine in cheap t1 barges, suicide ganking becomes uneconomical and you will most likely be left alone.


Yea point noted. Been thinking about going back to converter


[cynical]Try a "covetor", something a genuine miner would know about after so many years.[/cynical]

Try being dyslexic and not having the names in front of you. I have an idea of what spellings look like and I just work on it. It's kinda hard just reading everything and never hearing things. I have to just make up sounds in my head and it gets translated to something I understand. It's a bit complex but to simplfy it.... Ops
Blink
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#27 - 2012-01-29 13:34:20 UTC
Maxious wrote:
I mean seriously guys what's wrong with it? What's every one got against afk mining?



Because that means one is just a lazy-F**k, NOT paying attention to the approaching Ninja's, or the seeming carebear (myself) about to gank you for botting (check Killboards for Orva - Derelik).

Lazy lazy lazy

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#28 - 2012-01-29 13:43:34 UTC
It's not lazy when you have so many things to be doing, where it be in game or out. I put through the idea of ship cabins and walking on deck mixing with crew. But it will never be integrated outside of stations because it encrougages the same attitude and results as afking
Aggressive Nutmeg
#29 - 2012-01-29 14:17:50 UTC
How are you fitting these Hulks that keep getting blown up? Post the fit. I bet the problem is there.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.

Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-01-29 14:25:14 UTC
I dont really think anyone has anythign against afk mining, what you are talking about is people ganking miners. Its always happened, its always going to happen. Its what some people enjoy, dont really see it as interesteing tbh, but thats their game.
I afk mine in hisec alot on an alt and I have never once been ganked, ever. Just down to luck I guess. I tend to afk mine when im home with the kids, watching movies etc. Nothing wrong with it as longas you are doing it yourself as other have said.
I am dead against bots and like to see them exploded, then watch their pods carrying on the same cycle...

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

trexinatux
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-01-29 14:45:24 UTC
EVE is a sandbox. Many different ways to play converge in blissful chaos providing fun, terror, and abject boredom.

If I see you acting brain dead on the street holding tasty lollipops and I have a bat, I'm gonna club you to death and take watcha got for my satisfaction. If you are not paying attention and playing your best defense, it's your fault. Some of the best fun in EVE can be had by running away at a crucial time and saving your bacon.

Helpless people on subway trains...

Severian Autarch
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-01-29 14:54:53 UTC
I think that for a lot of people, it's not that they have anything against afk mining. Perhaps you make this too complicated.

The reason may be simply this: people who play internet spaceship games like to blow up spaceships


Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#33 - 2012-01-29 16:34:11 UTC
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
How are you fitting these Hulks that keep getting blown up? Post the fit. I bet the problem is there.

Low slots cargo high slots strip miners. Med slot Astor,I'd scanner and a viraty of shield hardners. That's when it's peaceful and I'm there for the long haul in a mining opp or solo. But if I am going to prep for being attacked I'll just have to bite the bullet on cargo space and replace with a warp core stab. All drones are tech2 med drones. But only warning you get is a flash of light when your being attacked. Can't really close all windows quickly enough and warp out before your blown up. However I did hear that their is a shortcut key that closes all windows and aligning on a station first will help
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#34 - 2012-01-29 16:43:06 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
I dont really think anyone has anythign against afk mining, what you are talking about is people ganking miners. Its always happened, its always going to happen. Its what some people enjoy, dont really see it as interesteing tbh, but thats their game.
I afk mine in hisec alot on an alt and I have never once been ganked, ever. Just down to luck I guess. I tend to afk mine when im home with the kids, watching movies etc. Nothing wrong with it as longas you are doing it yourself as other have said.
I am dead against bots and like to see them exploded, then watch their pods carrying on the same cycle...


This is just something I see very common in a lot of games. For example in second life their are island games where that have a deep hatred of people just loggin in and standing around. Can't see why not its their time, and it boosts their traffic. And over the past 5 or so years here on eve I've seen the same traits. Their is a stigma attached to people who afk play the game. Because people think that their under handing the system.. Well for afk gaming I'm going to buy an imicus and some light drones. Set up in a high sec ore belt and. See if I'm still there tomorrow morning or how many rat wrecks are around me
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#35 - 2012-01-29 16:48:17 UTC
trexinatux wrote:
EVE is a sandbox. Many different ways to play converge in blissful chaos providing fun, terror, and abject boredom.

If I see you acting brain dead on the street holding tasty lollipops and I have a bat, I'm gonna club you to death and take watcha got for my satisfaction. If you are not paying attention and playing your best defense, it's your fault. Some of the best fun in EVE can be had by running away at a crucial time and saving your bacon.

Are you really a mindless thug? Would you really brain someone to death in public? Now let's say that their are no laws no cops and no government. Would you really kill some one in real life just because they had a shiny trinket? Unfortunately I do beleve that the answer is yes. Interesting fact time. Monkeys have the highest murder ratio out of all the creatures in the world. And humans are said to be related to them.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#36 - 2012-01-29 16:58:00 UTC
Maxious wrote:
I've lost about 5 hulks to that and have never made a profit on any hulk I've bought. Again long ago and not bitter....much. No my problem is why do people have a problem with afk miners in general? You play the game how you want to and I'll play it how I want to


One, perhaps you ought to stop buying hulks.

Two, no one is hating on afk mining, they are simply blowing up expensive ships because they can and because they are indeed playing the game how they want to.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#37 - 2012-01-29 17:12:52 UTC
EVE is a sandbox.

If you want to AFK mine, knock yourself out. If someone wants to actively look for and gank you, they can.

You make your own game as do all the other subscribers (except the little bees who are too stupid to do anything but what they are told to do). Sometimes these disparate ideas of what the game should be cause conflict. That's when things start to get exciting.

Mr Epeen Cool
Richard C Hoagland
Anarchos Syndicate
#38 - 2012-01-29 17:30:38 UTC
People worried about potential Hulk losses should buy more Covetors, for 10% of the cost.

Ganking miners is the lulzy thing to do, that's why it happens. There's also a perception, likely accurate in most cases, that miners aren't able to mount any kind of resistance. They take their losses, and move on, while the ganker pads their killboard. Miners sure aren't being targeted because they're big isk-generating machines. I think that in today's Eve economy, we all know that mining stinks.

That said, we're seeing griefing against incursions. I've yet to see an equivalent to Hulkageddon for mission runners...perhaps this is because the gankers themselves are running missions? P
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#39 - 2012-01-29 18:05:23 UTC
All the complaints about AFK miners are group think bullshit used to justify ganking and generally being an epeen twit intent on A. padding a killboard with useless industrial kills (because that takes talent) or B. justifying just being an ass. Their is nothing wrong with mining semi-afk in the general way OP has described. I imagine afk or semi-afk behavior is rampant in eve considering how boring so much of the actual gameplay is between the explosions. Thinking about it, after a certain level how much attention does it take to enter an anom/mission, release fighters/drones and watch wallet ticks with an occasional glance at local or intel to make sure reds haven't snuck through the gate. Eve seems to overflow with people finding new and exciting ways to look down on other's gameplay choices and or devotion to making ISK. Barring active pvp Eve doesn't require laser focus.
Xanatia
Vengeance Imperium
#40 - 2012-01-29 18:25:57 UTC
During one of the hulkageddons (i'd neglected to pay attention to the forums) my alt got ganked in her hulk by a swarm of thrashers. i was a mite annoyed, and the perpetrators thought it was terribly amusing.

Now, hulkageddon usually brings out the kinds of people who you wouldn't usually associate with suicide ganking, you know, mission runners, some bored anti pirates and whatnot. so, i waited a week or so, tracked their movements, discovered that all of them were pretty much carebears who liked to run missions in their pimped out CNR's and golems all day, every day.

So, i ganked every single one of them in their missions, got quite a bit of nice loot as well. navy launchers, gist XL shield boosters, you know the types of things you find on pimped up mission ships.

I must say, they were NOT amused, they flamed me, threatened to wardec me (they didn't) and all that, their tears were delicious, i must say.

the moral of the story: Don't get mad, get even