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Ishtar. Why not medium blasters?
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Sicex
#21 - 2012-01-28 12:41:18 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
been flying the Ishtar for about 4 years, this is my opinion:


Ishtar is generally nonviable in the current pvp meta.

- AHAC gangs: you cant retrieve your dps if you need to gtfo; if going with heavies instead of sentries, it takes forever to start applying said dps; Deimos is a better AHAC

- medium range gangs: not enough EHP; a properly flown BC can shred an Ishtar

- nano gangs: not enough EHP, and cant apply dps fast enough; Blastos owns this role over any Gallente ship.

- small gang/solo: dual rep tars work only if you have insane resources such as booster alts, pills, multiboxed covops scout, and implants


with 75k EHP, 2km/s speed + heat, and 600 dps (pure explosive or EM), the nano Gila wipes the floor with any Ishtar setup.

to address OP: a blaster Tar would have a little less dps than a Brutix or a properly fit Myrm, and way less EHP. that in itself is enough to make the Tar nonviable. use it in PVE where it belongs until HACs regain their role.



Ravenesa wrote:


The only love a Myrm needs is more drone bandwidth, it is not a gunship. That being said current Myrms can still spit out over 500DPS and active tank with MWD web and scram without much of a problem. Laser Myrms work nicely hitting the weakest shield resist in most cases.


i actually dont care for the drone role. even if it could field 4-5 heavies/sentries. drones suck. 425mm AC's on a shield tanked Myrm with a 2/2/1 drone setup can spit out about 700 near-instant dps (pure explosive or EM) 0-30km, which puts to shame any other Myrm setup.


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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#22 - 2012-01-29 08:17:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Hungry Eyes wrote:
for example, the Blastos gets to choose what it engages because it can actually do scary DPS at 30-40km. you cant engage **** in an Ishtar because you cant project dps, and you cant tank; while many ships can actually apply their dps on you when you try to kite them. the truth is, all tier 3's can basically shred you apart as you try to mwd around them. avoidance/mitigation only works when your dps is instant, i.e. you have to do something back, or when you can actually sustain your "mitigation tank."

what you speak of makes sense if your target is scrammed by your buddy, and youre zipping around at a safe distance as your drones chew at the target, and nothing can reach you. these scenarios are just...not a part of my EVE world, and i pvp a lot. in fact, i flew my nano Sentar and Snipetar this way. admittedly, while not completely useless, theyre just highly situational. whereas the Gila is good in just about every sub-BS engagement. tier 3's killed the Sentar. before, i was only afraid of Rokh's and mega pulse Apocs. now everything can tear me a new one at 70-100km.

not trying to be condescending, but if you think that Ishtar > Gila based on some fictitious or highly situational engagement, then you just havent flown them, or havent flown the Gila.


In open space the Gila is a better choice because of its sustained agility and tank - armortar is too sluggish and nano doesn't have the same tank.

On a gate or station you can stick multi webs, sebo etc that make Ishtar a good boat on its own in those places where the Gila would struggle to hold a target.

That's my experience of it and both are as situational as each other.

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Bibosikus
Air
#23 - 2012-01-29 12:51:52 UTC
I've always thought that CCP kind of 'tagged on' the med blaster bonus for the 'tar. All other HACs have 4 bonuses that complement each other.

With the 'tar, it seems CCP rightly decided to create a superb drone platform, then realised the ship was one bonus short. So they simply stuck on the 5% turret damage as a compromise. It clearly is at odds with the rest of the design.

Far better would be another drone-related bonus such as speed. Ogres travelling at the speed of Hammers would certainly make for some interesting fits.

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King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#24 - 2012-01-29 15:03:16 UTC
The ishtar is best used for kiting. It is in effect, a sniper HAC. Unlike the other sniper HACs it has some unique abilities as a drone boat but it's still best to keep your distance with it. If you want to go point blank and face melt someone, I suggest the navy vexor. It does 1000-ish dps with ions, 4x ogre II's and a pretty solid cruiser tank (37k EHP no implants or links).

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#25 - 2012-01-29 17:01:13 UTC
Roime wrote:
Battleclinic fits are bad.

Use medium blasters and fly for the win.

they are hard to fit due to the pitiful CPU of Ishtar, that is all


This. However I still put medium blasters on my ishtars.

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Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-01-29 17:32:56 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
The ishtar is best used for kiting. It is in effect, a sniper HAC. Unlike the other sniper HACs it has some unique abilities as a drone boat but it's still best to keep your distance with it. If you want to go point blank and face melt someone, I suggest the navy vexor. It does 1000-ish dps with ions, 4x ogre II's and a pretty solid cruiser tank (37k EHP no implants or links).


yea, this is exactly how i flew my Sentar. either with a snipe setup from 100km, or a shield buffer + nano from about 70km. the issue today is that tier 3's do about 30-40% more dps at the same range, and are almost as fast. in general, tier 3's completely killed sniper HAC's, whatever was left of them, and i moved on from my Sentar.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-01-31 02:18:19 UTC
Sicex wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
been flying the Ishtar for about 4 years, this is my opinion: /snip


It's quality posts like this that should win threads more often. Experience, advice and reflection. Take note noobs.


Was thinking the exact same thing as I read it. Many props, Hungry Eyes, and thanks for the insight as I attempt to pick a ship to shoot for.

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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#28 - 2012-02-02 15:54:05 UTC
Degren wrote:
Sicex wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
been flying the Ishtar for about 4 years, this is my opinion: /snip


It's quality posts like this that should win threads more often. Experience, advice and reflection. Take note noobs.


Was thinking the exact same thing as I read it. Many props, Hungry Eyes, and thanks for the insight as I attempt to pick a ship to shoot for.


Hey the three of you might wanna get a room or something... just sayin'

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Firh
Duct Solutions
#29 - 2012-02-03 01:51:15 UTC
For most people HACs are too expensive to be flown as brawlers, i.e. in blaster range. This is the main issue, really.
Mister Kwong
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-02-03 02:32:30 UTC
Yeah. Ishtar needs a buff then. More CPU for the medium blasters
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