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Afk mining what's the beef?

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Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#1 - 2012-01-29 12:33:44 UTC
I mean seriously guys what's wrong with it? What's every one got against afk mining? I pay my money, I pay for my online time, I have worked up hard enough to get a hulk. I play the game the way I like to play it and that's on the cusp. In the background as I'm talking to my corp mates, looking at the market, adjusting planet production, reading up about the latest tech 3 or eve stories. Or even posting here on the forums and it's all during afk mining. Ok it not true afk like I'm on the bog or out working/sleeping but you know what the worst that should happen if I'm away too long? The asteroid will run out, or my mining hold will get full and I stop mining. I'm not wiping an entire ore belt clean or overflowing the market with trit. 3astroids out of a few hundred go and I stop dead in my track. So what's the problem?
On occasion I'm minding my own business. Found an ore belt that's no one is using and settle down for a spot of mining. Then whilst I'm reading the latest news in game or browsing through the market to see what skills I need for such and such a ship(all in game), I see a flash of light and the next thing I know that my hulk I've worked for several months to get has been blown up... If I talk to any one about it you just get the haters just saying that you should not be afk mining. I mean WTF??? It's not like you can do anything any way is there? If some one want to kill you in high sec they will kill you. Don't matter what you have. A target lock and a flash of light is all you get as a warning even if your eyes are glued to the screen.
Ok don't get me wrong. This thread is not a complaint or about a loss of ships. I know why some people will do it. Maybe your harvesting in their fave field. So the will log on as an alt to get you out of the way. Or the dam annoying and god awfull hulkagadon that if I could do anything to get scrapped I would. As I've lost about 5 hulks to that and have never made a profit on any hulk I've bought. Again long ago and not bitter....much. No my problem is why do people have a problem with afk miners in general? You play the game how you want to and I'll play it how I want to
Saska Samar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-01-29 12:38:04 UTC
U mad bro?
Cire XIII
Filthy Peasants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#3 - 2012-01-29 12:38:48 UTC
Q: What's wrong with afk mining?

A: Orders of magnitude less than afk missioning/ratting/anoms
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-29 12:39:25 UTC
solution: don't mine

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-29 12:40:16 UTC
Cire XIII wrote:
Q: What's wrong with afk mining?

A: Orders of magnitude less than afk missioning/ratting/anoms


yeah, even afking a 50m domi in an anom is more profitable lmao

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#6 - 2012-01-29 12:40:31 UTC
Well people I work with think so. And the other voices in my head gang up on me sometimes telling me so
Dane El
Negative Density
#7 - 2012-01-29 12:41:05 UTC
The same thing that's wrong with auto piloting an industrial with a valuable load. It's generally bad practice to leave a lightly tanked but expensive ship just sitting unattended in space. Plenty of people will blow you up because they can and they know you'll cry about it.
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#8 - 2012-01-29 12:44:39 UTC
Cire XIII wrote:
Q: What's wrong with afk mining?

A: Orders of magnitude less than afk missioning/ratting/anoms


If I want to make money I'll go mission running. I do level 3's solo and fast. But if I want to relax and do stuff at the same time as making money then I'll mine. Like right now I really need to clean this place up. Just set my ship to mine and then start cleaning.
But if people have a problem with afk in general then whats next to go? Afk hauling? Afk Station sitting?

Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#9 - 2012-01-29 12:46:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Maxious
Dane El wrote:
The same thing that's wrong with auto piloting an industrial with a valuable load. It's generally bad practice to leave a lightly tanked but expensive ship just sitting unattended in space. Plenty of people will blow you up because they can and they know you'll cry about it.

True if you go through low sec. But if your flying through high sec then their should not be a problem. And like i said if some one wants to blow you up then their is nothing you can do about it. Afk or not
Dane El
Negative Density
#10 - 2012-01-29 12:51:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Dane El
No you're not. Ever wonder why you sometimes get locked flying into or out of JIta? Cargo scanners. They're looking for a valuable load and they'll blow you up for it given the chance. Being AFK and on auto-pilot just makes their job very easy. It's the same with mining. If you are paying attention you can often get out before you get ganked.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-29 12:51:23 UTC
Maxious wrote:
Dane El wrote:
The same thing that's wrong with auto piloting an industrial with a valuable load. It's generally bad practice to leave a lightly tanked but expensive ship just sitting unattended in space. Plenty of people will blow you up because they can and they know you'll cry about it.

True if you go through low sec. But if your flying through high sec then their should not be a problem. And like i said if some one wants to blow you up then their is nothing you can do about it. Afk or not


okay feel free to load up an iteron mark V full of faction/officer mods and autopilot from amarr to jita, it's perfectly safe!

if this is a complaint about suicide ganking, you're out of luck because it's legitimate gameplay. high-sec was never meant to be safe. CONCORD provides consequences for aggressors, not protection from them.

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Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-01-29 12:52:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Shazzam Vokanavom
Wanting afk mining to be risk free is absurd and an afront to anyone who at least affords some attention to the process with validity.

Mining should not be risk free. Ganking perhaps should be made more consequential and brought in line with the risk/reward model everyone is talking about, but the "RISK" definatley needs to remain for this "sandbox" to have credibility.

Stop spoiling that credibility of mining operations by asking for "cotton wool" immunity mechanics. This tends to give an unfavourable view for mining roles to be improved with some validity please. Which I have to say is very much needed.

Also "if" deliberate troll thread, not funny or constructive.
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#13 - 2012-01-29 12:53:08 UTC
Because CCP would prefer you to be at your keyboard when you play the game.

Yet another 05 player posts like a 2 week old newb.
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#14 - 2012-01-29 12:56:01 UTC
Andski wrote:
Maxious wrote:
Dane El wrote:
The same thing that's wrong with auto piloting an industrial with a valuable load. It's generally bad practice to leave a lightly tanked but expensive ship just sitting unattended in space. Plenty of people will blow you up because they can and they know you'll cry about it.

True if you go through low sec. But if your flying through high sec then their should not be a problem. And like i said if some one wants to blow you up then their is nothing you can do about it. Afk or not


okay feel free to load up an iteron mark V full of faction/officer mods and autopilot from amarr to jita, it's perfectly safe!

if this is a complaint about suicide ganking, you're out of luck because it's legitimate gameplay. high-sec was never meant to be safe. CONCORD provides consequences for aggressors, not protection from them.


I guess you didn't read my first post fully. No it's not a complaint. I've been playing since 2005 and understand the whys. I just want to know why people have beef ofer afk miners. Hence te title
Aldeskwatso
Primus Societas
Crimson Interstellar Alliance
#15 - 2012-01-29 12:56:16 UTC
Being AFK while mining doesn't bother me at all (tho it aint smart). As long as you are manually controlling your hulk when you need to shift to a different roid etc. Doing it with a 3rd party program and effectively macro mining should be relentlessly hammered down without any remorse. It's unfair to those who spend the time doing it the right way as they are intended to through the built in mechanics of the game.

If CCP meant to have it automated to that degree then they would have built in the option.

The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-01-29 12:57:58 UTC
But OP surely has a point. The question is: with an activity as tedious as mining, how could you NOT be afk while doing it?
Survival tip: if you only mine in cheap t1 barges, suicide ganking becomes uneconomical and you will most likely be left alone.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#17 - 2012-01-29 13:02:01 UTC
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:
Wanting afk mining to be risk free is absurd and an afront to anyone who at least affords some attention to the process with validity.

Mining should not be risk free. Ganking perhaps should be made more consequential and brought in line with the risk/reward model everyone is talking about, but the "RISK" definatley needs to remain for this "sandbox" to have credibility.

Stop spoiling that credibility of mining operations by asking for "cotton wool" immunity mechanics. This tends to give an unfavourable view for mining roles to be improved with some validity please. Which I have to say is very much needed.

Also "if" deliberate troll thread, not funny or constructive.

No one said anything about the credibility of mining ops. I'm a level 5 mining director with all that comes with it. Stick me in an orca and you'll never get a better output from your mining operation. Mining operates is what makes the game really work for me as I love them so.
Raiz Nhell
Tactically Challenged
The Initiative.
#18 - 2012-01-29 13:05:28 UTC
Afk mining is cool... I mine most of the time... It's what I do... But it's dull...

I know that my Hulk will get exploded, s**thappens.... Hopefully I get to watch it... Hopefully the gankers gpu can't handle the awesomeness of my disintegration and his box melts down....

I play the game my way, gankers play it theirs... Who am I to tell them I don't like the way they play...
And we all need to remember, ISK is Monopoly money and we shouldn't really care...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.

Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-01-29 13:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Shazzam Vokanavom
Well Maxious according to your KB you lost a hulk 3 months ago, and your previous industral loss was a coveter 2 years ago. Other than that you only have a procurer and an iteron on record as soft target losses previous to that since 05.

I hardly would say thats a cause for a "realistic" concern, even though no-one likes a loss at the end of the day?

So unless the other 4 hulk losses werent obviously reported which I find unlikley ....... kind of makes me question the whole validity of the post.

Funny troll who pads KB with estranged alts? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt however but dont ask me to sympathise as a result.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2012-01-29 13:12:06 UTC
Maxious wrote:
On occasion I'm minding my own business. Found an ore belt that's no one is using and settle down for a spot of mining. Then whilst I'm reading the latest news in game or browsing through the market to see what skills I need for such and such a ship(all in game), I see a flash of light and the next thing I know that my hulk I've worked for several months to get has been blown up... If I talk to any one about it you just get the haters just saying that you should not be afk mining. I mean WTF??? It's not like you can do anything any way is there? If some one want to kill you in high sec they will kill you. Don't matter what you have. A target lock and a flash of light is all you get as a warning even if your eyes are glued to the screen.
Yeah, no…

That's not people having a beef with you being AFK — it's people taking advantage of your decision to make yourself a free target. Not being AFK will indeed help you.
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No my problem is why do people have a problem with afk miners in general?
They don't.
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