Market Discussions

Stop trolling...

Having been watching the rebel breakaway colony's Republican GOP debates with the kind of patronising paternal instincts honed over years of residence in Her Majesty's green and pleasant land I can conclude the only relevant questions pertinent to an election and demonstrative of your fitness to govern are:

1) Do you believe in the same God that I may or may not believe in?
2) As a male, what is more acceptable - holding a gun, or holding another man's hand?
3) Should the poor be afforded the same healthcare as the rich?


Pertinent to Eve, the markets, and the CSM I suppose off the top of my head I'd like (a) return of the QEN, (b) some actual management of faucets and sinks, (c) fix the still sodding broken contract system.

Ahh, Michael Bay films, the kind of films the UK should be making, according to our own politicians. Not films like "Bend it like Beckham", "The King's Speech", "The Last King of Scotland", or "In the Loop", all funded by the UK Film Council which was axed by said same politician. Not enough robots see.

Regarding isk faucets and sinks it's generally acknowledged that we are undergoing something of an inflationary period in part driven by the whipping boy of the month, incursions. Much of CCP doesn't seem to see the same pattern we see, whether by ignorance or by acknowledgement that players getting more isk is good because it retains player base - either way, Dr E perhaps needs to be more forceful.

And on contracts, price sorting is borked on auctions, and the high sec / low sec / no sec filter only works on end destination, not in betweeny island systems.

Lyris Nairn stop spamming the forums with shity CSM requests. It is more annoying than trolling. go away your not getting voted for CSM.

In before CCP forum and chat bans you.

Question: What makes you think people would want a Goon in a CSM position?

Most things in the EVE market mechanics are fine. Over time we have seen more and more things go to market and not be exclusive to contract and it's a good trend. Less and less is seed and what is seed is usually mission oriented or sandbox trade stuff.

I do see issues in productions and manufacturing that drive me bonkers and it works its way in to markets but it isn't so much a market issue straight out. In truth the market mechanics are as elaborate as they can be simply because nothing CCP do can prevent exploits and abuse. Its a bazaar system of barter through ISK and it works.

You don't even understand the mechanics of this game, nor do you care about the gameplay experience of the people you're trying to bamboozle into voting for you. Not even the people here are that dumb.

I would vote Riverini into the CSM before I would even consider giving you a vote.

She's not evena goon she is in goonwaffe that is the kennel/ cage where goons pets get sent.

General conceptual stuff:
It would be very nice if more dynamism could be introduced to the industrial experience. This is less an issue from the market side but industry is an area where once you have worked out a perfectly efficient business plan there is really nothing else to do except pull the same sequence of levers ad nauseum after the fashion of a mildly well-trained monkey. One thing I would particularly like to see examined would be the possibility of opening up the scope for industrial warfare somewhat. At present, it is pretty much impossible to do anything meaningful to threaten a competing industrialist (outside the context of price cutting and other market warfare techniques).

The motivation for conflict is already present - money. Unfortunately, the means to engage in conflict are not present. Every sensible industrialist hauls with an alt outside their corp or at least has the capacity to do so during wartime. I've been away for a bit but I gather that the wardec mechanics have been changed to make it almost impossible to even get a declaration in in the first place. Taking down a highsec large, well-defended tower is nigh-on impossible unless you are able to summon up fifty or more battleship pilots from your friends or merc contracts (and in any case everything of value will probably have been stripped from the tower before the dec goes live).

The general upshot is that whilst rich industrialists should become bigger targets the higher up the ladder of riches they climb, what actually happens is they acquire increasing invulnerability. The new industrialist (or miner) is vulnerable to suicide ganks. The established industrialist flying BRs, Orcas or Freighters is much less so, especially when examined from the perspective of targets being economically worthwhile.

This is not to say that industrialists should be under constant threat of blob style pvp; there is a reason they don't opt for a life in nullsec. I would say that I found it to be rather ridiculous that I could run a business earning 100bil a month without undergoing any real risks (which is not to say just anyone could do it ) but that would be a bit disingenuous. What I really found ridiculous was that my competitors could run their businesses with complete impunity from my tender ministrations. Of course, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and I would, in fact, has welcomed some threats from those same competitors if it would have livened up the post-planning part of operating a large business.

A few specific things I would like to see (speaking without having considered mechanics or methods of implementation):

-Much greater vulnerability for higher level hauling hulls (although this would probably be best implemented in terms of very narrow, specific weaknesses).

-Limitations on defensive facilities for high-sec towers.

-Some kind of 'Forensic Accounting Skill' that would allow the chance of tracking financial transfers between characters, asset movement through trade windows, flagging of evidence of jetcanning goods. Not sure about the technological difficulties involved in this but it would open up all sorts of additional possibilities for player to player interactions by providing the fundamentals for financial intelligence networks and also by scaling back a bit of the complete anonymity of alts that shuts down all sorts of gameable opportunities.

Edit - All that aside, despite my respect for Kal, I felt pretty disappointed last year by being well scammed out of my vote (I would like to assume that his version of the story is actually true but I think that would be a foolish assumption in the circumstances), so shan't be voting for any GS related candidates this year.

Thank you.... one of the funniest comments I've read in weeks.