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Loki for lowsec/nullsec ninja exploration
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YaMoMma
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-01-26 23:40:12 UTC
Hi everyone,
I've been toying with the idea of ninja plexing for quite a time. As i can decently fly a t3 now, I've tried to put some settings up to go down to low and maybe nullsec to do what i'm doing right now in high.
Here is the fitt I use in high ATM (this thread is posted by an alt, i'm aware of the pinatta nature of the ship :) ). It is a complete overkill for high sec sites, but i'm wondering if the adaptations i've thought about would do to complete low and null sites. I know i'll get ganked some day, but i dont really care ;)

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[Loki, explo high]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon Afterburners
Codebreaker I
Analyzer I

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers


Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


For low sec i've been considering this setup, relying more on speed tanking and just flashing the booster when needed. The null fitt is the same minus a Tracking enhancer and with an interdiction nullifier. I get ~450 dps at 15 km and ~350 at 20+km, with a total fallof of ~30 km.

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[Loki, explo low]
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Pithum B-Type Medium Shield Booster
Core C-Type 100MN Afterburner
Codebreaker I

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II

Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-01-27 14:31:16 UTC
Four things: Why no 425s? Why aren't you tanking against the rats you'll be facing? And I'm not sure about the second TE vs a third Gyro. You should really be using an Expanded Launcher with DSPs on a T3 if at all possible, it helps so much (see here for a guide on using DSPs; and if you can afford to pimp on faction Gyros and cloak and DED AB, you should certainly be using a Sisters probe launcher)

Other than that though, it looks like a solid enough starting point.
Xrock
#3 - 2012-01-28 09:48:27 UTC
Going to spare some of the details but the the only meaningful fits I could come up for Loki-Lowsec involves a separate travel and combat fit.

Travel fit uses scan and covert subs, while combat uses scan resolution and scoping sub (as well as an noncov-ops cloak in case the system gets too hot).

AC range is out of the question as far as tank goes in Lowsec, not including not being able to pluck the web towers that nullify any speed tank.

Good luck
YaMoMma
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-29 02:53:23 UTC  |  Edited by: YaMoMma
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Four things: Why no 425s? Why aren't you tanking against the rats you'll be facing? And I'm not sure about the second TE vs a third Gyro. You should really be using an Expanded Launcher with DSPs on a T3 if at all possible, it helps so much (see http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp for a guide on using DSPs; and if you can afford to pimp on faction Gyros and cloak and DED AB, you should certainly be using a Sisters probe launcher)

Other than that though, it looks like a solid enough starting point.

- I didnt put 425 on it because i had no more fitting room to put them, this oversised Ab really takes a lot of room ^^
- I'm not tanking vs specific rats because i plan to do some c2/c3 if i dont find sites, plus i wanna travel around and i'm too lazy to refitt every time the rat type changes. I still got 80+% omni with this fitt.
- I did put a TE instead of a third gyro to get some more falloff. The third gyro would only bring 20 more dps anyway.

I'll look into that tutorial of yours, i never used deep space probes before. Didnt think about sisters probes either, ill look into them and try to squezze them. Thanks a lot :)

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Going to spare some of the details but the the only meaningful fits I could come up for Loki-Lowsec involves a separate travel and combat fit.

Travel fit uses scan and covert subs, while combat uses scan resolution and scoping sub (as well as an noncov-ops cloak in case the system gets too hot).

I chose to go for a T3 to have a all in one. If i get separate fits, i could go with a cheetah and a Muninn or a vaga for a fraction of the price. Plus, spending lots of time docking and dedoc in low seems lots of risks for not that much.

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]AC range is out of the question as far as tank goes in Lowsec, not including not being able to pluck the web towers that nullify any speed tank.


I can tank 600 static dps for a few min, is that enough to take care of these towers ? They will pin me even with the oversised AB (I can go ~1300 m/s)? Could you develop the tank stuff ? Is there that many webbing frigs and overwhelming dps in low sites ?
Xrock
#5 - 2012-01-29 07:25:02 UTC
To give you an idea of what to expect in the Serpentis DED 5/10 3rd pocket: Around 400 incoming dps w/ web towers about 35km out. While the 3minutes of shield boosting (w/o the ABer lit) is quite powerful, you will still be pinned down and fairly far off from the towers. It's a risk I wouldn't bother taking in a 1bn+ ship my first time out.

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I chose to go for a T3 to have a all in one. If i get separate fits, i could go with a cheetah and a Muninn or a vaga for a fraction of the price. Plus, spending lots of time docking and dedoc in low seems lots of risks for not that much.

Don't get me wrong, it ain't easy being cheesy...