EVE General Discussion

Yep this.

The sheer wasted effort and squandered resources on Incarna is almost heartbreaking. This game could be so much more if the management was prepared to dream a bit and stop listening to marketing-zombies fixated on nickle-and-diming income from NeX.

Eve Online was once the only game in town for those wanting something different from a group of developers who were writing their own playbook not content to simply copy others.

Now, ... not so much.

And people who care about this game and community should damn well rage against the dying of the light.

Im not wriggling, I will restate it clearly so you understand.

The power resides withn the body of the decision maker. It is the decision makers who effect change.

A lobbyist can affect the decision made by the decision maker but by virtue of their inability to take the decisions themselves they do not have power.

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The "Yes, Minister" series are pure awesome .. I remember many hardy laughs and much sniggering when watching them

The "decision makers" do indeed effect the changes as their signatures are required in most circumstances, but that does mean that the decisions are actually theirs to begin with.
They are for all intents and purposes merely figureheads for the various departments/ministries where 99% of the work is done by civil servants, CS who are not replaced every time public opinion skips a beat or a new fad strikes :insert name of capital: ..

Lobbyist's don't even come into play until long after the CS has had time to dig into whomever 'the people' sent to their dining table .. manipulation of scatter-brains like politicians is easy enough as it is, now imagine how easy/smooth it is when you have 20 years headstart on the subject in regards to "how things work".

In short: Screw the lobbyist's, they are just walking wallets with agendas. Fear the Civil Servants, for they are unknown!

PS: What the hell is with these crappy forums! I used "< >" in the text and it refused to post it because it was HTML .. fail!

Hilmars email showed us that philosophy

Which version of it, I've seen 3 public ones. Some of them with and some without inflamatory statements. And a non-public one I won't make public either (that's both better and worse, depending).

Most of it was a lot of yarr yarr directed at motivating the troops (hey, it's a big company).

Also you don't know *when* the mail had been sent, the amount of information at hilmar's disposal when he wrote it, etc.

Not defending the stance portrayed as having been Hilmar's, far from it, but just saying you lack context to appreciate how damning it actually is/was, it ranges from "very" to "not that much".

One thing I can absolutely tell you you lack context on is the phrase "we'll look at what player do and less at what they say". This is a phrase Hilmar had already said when I met him in CSM 3, and also once in CSM 5. He uses it frequently to refer to the fact he uses the actual data of what people do rather than the sometimes extremely vocal forum minority. An approach I can't fault him for taking, by the way.

If, however, he wrote what he did knowing full well the scale of our discontent, both on the forums, in-game and in terms of unsubs, that's a different story, but you don't know that, and neither do I.

My personal experience with the man is that when he is provided with the same information we have, we understand one another (not saying we always agree, but he's been reasonable enough), the worst version that kept being circulated showed an hilmar totally out of touch with reality. Who knows, his newborn daughter may have caused him to lose his mind, but I instead read that mail with a lot of salt.

That said, an update, next meeting with Zulu is scheduled for tomorrow, unless there's last minute scheduling problems, so I'll post an update tomorrow night. Either with substance or without, depending on the conversation and whether another round of "let's get the details right" is necessary.

I have to add you to my contacts, so I know who to vote for on the next CSM election.



Now here's a glimmer of hope for our information-starved EVE appetite.

Yes but taking this approach you always walk a fine line between pushing, and pushing too far.

Another thread was started for the second meeting might be off the first page do not have time to find and link

Second thread covering the second meeting.

QFT