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Cloaky warp trick or exploid?
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muhadin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-01-27 14:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: muhadin
Tippia wrote:
Frosi wrote:
The Problem is that the black and cov ops ships are designed for escaping gate camps and a normal t1 BS isn't and shouldnt be able to do it!
Of course they should.
Just because you set up a camp doesn't mean that you are entitled to a 100% capture rate.

This is a legitimate means for non-covops ships to escape such situations. There are ways to combat it. It's an intended mechanic and a complete non-issue.


A lot of people don't even use this mechanic, mostly due to lack of knowledge of game mechanics. In any case, its more of a exploit then a mechanic IMO.

With a mastodon using this method, decent map awareness, and a scout, you can guarantee 100% immunity moving around in lowsec, with 28k m3 fully expanded mastodon. This does not seem right at all, as it eliminates nearly all of the risk of lowsec. It is very possible and common for people to use scouts, but to put it short, if you are stupid enough to fly a BS into lowsec without a scout, you should die, period. Not get away because you fit a mwd and cloak. This escape ability should be limited to covert ops cloaks only.

CCP have been inadvertently nerfing piracy for a long time, and this is just another foot deeper in a hole.

I have used this method many times, and even though it reduces the risk of me loosing my ship, from a pirates stand point, it just makes you not want to play with such stupid mechanics in the game. There is barely a counter to this, and not even that really, most lowsec pirate fleets won't have a ceptor or dramiel on hand if they do encounter someone on a roam that does it, and most gate camps don't bother. Having someone come through the gate using a mechanic that doesn't have a counter to it, makes the game less fun.

Having legions with 6k scan res that can catch dramiels and interceptors, but not a battleship because it used a cloak and mwd? Stupid.

"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#22 - 2012-01-27 14:28:40 UTC
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With a mastodon using this method, decent map awareness, and a scout, you can guarantee 100% immunity moving around in lowsec, with 28k m3 fully expanded mastodon. This does not seem right at all, as it eliminates nearly all of the risk of lowsec. It is very possible and common for people to use scouts, but to put it short, if you are stupid enough to fly a BS into lowsec without a scout, you should die, period. Not get away because you fit a mwd and cloak. This escape ability should be limited to covert ops cloaks only.


Oh, he has a scout now?

So you're saying that someone who

-Spent 90M on a hull that exists for no other purpose than to survive gank attempts
-Has an alt account or a friend scouting ahead for him
-Fits his ship specifically to dodge gatecamps should he jump into one.

Has a very high chance of dodging gatecamps in lowsec (an area that is supposed to be markedly safer than nullsec)? Yeah, that sounds really broken there. Why do you insist that someone who takes every possible precaution for moving around in lowsec be readily gankable?


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CCP have been inadvertently nerfing piracy for a long time, and this is just another foot deeper in a hole.


What the hell are you talking about? MWD + Cloak trick is not new. It was alive and kicking when I first started playing EVE in 2007 and it certainly existed before then.

CCP has not nerfed piracy. If there's a problem with piracy, it's that there aren't enough targets in lowsec...and making it completely impossible to avoid a gank of your 100+ mil ship isn't going to bring more, either.


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I have used this method many times, and even though it reduces the risk of me loosing my ship, from a pirates stand point, it just makes you not want to play with such stupid mechanics in the game. There is barely a counter to this, and not even that really, most lowsec pirate fleets won't have a ceptor or dramiel on hand if they do encounter someone on a roam that does it, and most gate camps don't bother. Having someone come through the gate using a mechanic that doesn't have a counter to it, makes the game less fun.


What the ****? The fact that most pirate camps don't bother to have the counter on hand does not mean that the counter doesn't exist, it means they don't bother to have it on hand. That's like arguing that there's no counter to 8-WCS battleships because most pirate camps don't bother to have a Hictor on hand.

You are in lowsec, not 0.0. Lowsec is meant to be safer, with more options for safety than 0.0 but less than hisec. If you want an easier time ganking cloak+MWD ships then move to NPC 0.0.


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Having legions with 6k scan res that can catch dramiels and interceptors, but not a battleship because it used a cloak and mwd? Stupid.


And once again, I'd like to ask why you think it is fun, fair, or balanced for people to have absolutely no way of avoiding ganks while moving around in lowsec.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#23 - 2012-01-27 16:19:49 UTC
Crevtran Sbatiol wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
lock and scramble any ship passing through


Not looking for a guarantee, looking for a chance.


you have one. decloak him.
You too have "no chance" of locking a frigate in your battleship before he warps without external help, for mwd-cloak its exactly the same. Those are game mechanics, deal with them.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#24 - 2012-01-27 16:33:33 UTC
It takes 10 seconds for a MWD to cycle.

A dramiel travels at 5km/s, achieves near full speed within 3 seconds, and typically needs to travel less than 20 km's to the target. Are you saying there's "NO TIME" to decloak them? I KNOW your wrong.

You just need to get better at it, or you need to accept that players utilizing this mechanic will sneak through your gate camp. Hope they mess up too.... If they deactivate their cloak too early or too late, you can snag them. If there is a lag hiccup on the server, you can snag them before they cloak...

If you're in nullsec, you can use a bubbler...

This is not OP, and is not game breaking.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2012-01-28 09:29:20 UTC
muhadin wrote:
A lot of people don't even use this mechanic, mostly due to lack of knowledge of game mechanics. In any case, its more of a exploit then a mechanic IMO.
Your opinion does not match CCP's.
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With a mastodon using this method, decent map awareness, and a scout, you can guarantee 100% immunity moving around in lowsec, with 28k m3 fully expanded mastodon.
Good. With that kind of effort and forethought, he has earned it. Also, with that kind of effort, he doesn't need this method, so it becomes a complete non-issue anyway.
killorbekilled TBE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-01-28 11:19:45 UTC
the cloak warp TRICK is very counter-able but im not saying how, work it out for your self

:)
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-01-28 15:48:59 UTC
Frosi wrote:
Oh hai gais

See, I have this problem. Is called Winning(tm) and I am not only a fan of Charlie Sheen, but I deserve it as well. But, I am buthurt Oops that someone is preventing my from Winning(tm) and its not fair. I mean, I deserve to Winning(tm) everytime cause 3x Scan Res Rig, 2x Sensor Amp, Sensor Booster, and 2x Remote Sensor Booster giving me a lock time of last week or ASAP (which ever is faster to get to me) .

So, I am going to bitchwhine that its unfair someone chumped me. Its not like I think its so unfair to the other guy that without the MWD/Cloak trick that I can instant lock EVERYTHING EVERYTIME AND WIN causing the guy I blowed up to be chumped. Because I have to Winning(tm) everytime.

Thanks for listening to my tears
Whiney OP that belives EVERYTIME he should win.


BTW, what you are complaining about is the ONE thing that counters your whine. I tried the fast align frig, the thing that should escape a gate camp (with no cloak, no MWD, just align -> WTZ gate...instant locked and popped in a frig by a BS...I don't bother with lowsec anymore) by the "exploit" of increasing lock times to .9 seconds. So, be glad that you can catch everything BUT the cloaking MWD even if everyone is using that trick...because if you are catching everything then in fact NO ONE WILL ENTER LOWSEC AT ******* AT ALL BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T ESCAPE....why would anyone run a gauntlet knowing they can't win...its like sticking your face in a door knowing you will be punched in the face so you don't stick your head out the door unless you are wearing a helmet with face guard.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#28 - 2012-01-28 20:30:12 UTC
Always winning, or always losing, makes people go elsewhere for challenges.

You are trying to make it so they have no chance, so why should anyone try?

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