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foxnod
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-01-28 03:19:06 UTC  |  Edited by: foxnod
2bhammered wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets.


I am a vet and I am bitter, I wish was I noob with a game offering me instant gratification, if only Cry


Yes, let's make eve just like the other 397,268 MMO's that do the instant gratification thingy. Oh wait; that would run off it's core customer base and they'd close the servers in 3 months tops.

I have a better idea. All the whiney children go play one of the thousands of other games that cater to their ADD mentality.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#42 - 2012-01-28 03:24:17 UTC  |  Edited by: 2bhammered
foxnod wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets.


I am a vet and I am bitter, I wish was I noob with a game offering me instant gratification, if only Cry


Yes, let's make eve just like the other 397,268 MMO's that do the instant gratification thingy. Oh wait; that would run off it's core customer base and they'd close the servers in 3 months tops.

I have a better idea. All the whiney children go play one of the thousands of other games that cater to their ADD mentality.



I agree with you, of course. I am just bitter because eve takes it to the extreme sometimes. Playing on a weekend for half a day to hopefully if lucky get into a pvp fight by zerging or getting blobbed gets old, back in 2006 pvp was better. Can't put my finger on why, but eve is a lot more boring today than back in the day. Perhaps it is because I am a bitter old vet, who knows, but even after +years break this game is still old and seem to head to worse places.

Maybe it also makes it worse by the fact that my SP and other peoples SP is too much today. The gapis too great. Same with the ISK gap. All MMO's seem to suffer when they become old, or too old. Same with WoW and others.
foxnod
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-01-28 03:43:51 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
foxnod wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets.


I am a vet and I am bitter, I wish was I noob with a game offering me instant gratification, if only Cry


Yes, let's make eve just like the other 397,268 MMO's that do the instant gratification thingy. Oh wait; that would run off it's core customer base and they'd close the servers in 3 months tops.

I have a better idea. All the whiney children go play one of the thousands of other games that cater to their ADD mentality.



I agree with you, of course. I am just bitter because eve takes it to the extreme sometimes. Playing on a weekend for half a day to hopefully if lucky get into a pvp fight by zerging or getting blobbed gets old, back in 2006 pvp was better. Can't put my finger on why, but eve is a lot more boring today than back in the day. Perhaps it is because I am a bitter old vet, who knows, but even after +years break this game is still old and seem to head to worse places.

Maybe it also makes it worse by the fact that my SP and other peoples SP is too much today. The gapis too great. Same with the ISK gap. All MMO's seem to suffer when they become old, or too old. Same with WoW and others.


I would disagree about the SP issue. I just spent a 10 month stint in highsec. What I saw in there was new players asking about pvp/nullsec/lowsec and being told by the all the washouts that.....

1. You need 50mil SP to compete
2. That you'd be a slave to some RMT overlord
3. That it takes billions of ISK to compete in any form of PVP

The washouts from null/lowsec are the ones who are causing these problems and they should've been run out of EVE years ago.

We've brought in newer players into our alliance and they work fine. The number one thing in EVE is attitude. If you have a rotten attitude then you'll never go anywhere; if you have a good attitude you'll be able to get into 70% of corps alliances in your first year.
Weeble Tauri
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-01-28 05:25:45 UTC
This is my first EVE character.

I have never bought a PLEX for ISK, and within 3 months I was funding this, and another character, by buying PLEX in game.

Did I do it wrong?
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#45 - 2012-01-28 05:31:34 UTC
foxnod wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
foxnod wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets.


I am a vet and I am bitter, I wish was I noob with a game offering me instant gratification, if only Cry


Yes, let's make eve just like the other 397,268 MMO's that do the instant gratification thingy. Oh wait; that would run off it's core customer base and they'd close the servers in 3 months tops.

I have a better idea. All the whiney children go play one of the thousands of other games that cater to their ADD mentality.



I agree with you, of course. I am just bitter because eve takes it to the extreme sometimes. Playing on a weekend for half a day to hopefully if lucky get into a pvp fight by zerging or getting blobbed gets old, back in 2006 pvp was better. Can't put my finger on why, but eve is a lot more boring today than back in the day. Perhaps it is because I am a bitter old vet, who knows, but even after +years break this game is still old and seem to head to worse places.

Maybe it also makes it worse by the fact that my SP and other peoples SP is too much today. The gapis too great. Same with the ISK gap. All MMO's seem to suffer when they become old, or too old. Same with WoW and others.


I would disagree about the SP issue. I just spent a 10 month stint in highsec. What I saw in there was new players asking about pvp/nullsec/lowsec and being told by the all the washouts that.....

1. You need 50mil SP to compete
2. That you'd be a slave to some RMT overlord
3. That it takes billions of ISK to compete in any form of PVP

The washouts from null/lowsec are the ones who are causing these problems and they should've been run out of EVE years ago.

We've brought in newer players into our alliance and they work fine. The number one thing in EVE is attitude. If you have a rotten attitude then you'll never go anywhere; if you have a good attitude you'll be able to get into 70% of corps alliances in your first year.



I use to say the same thing you do, tout the same like, preach the same **** 5 years ago... heck I started pvp and was a pirate starting at 500k SP back then and ended up partaking in first titan being built etc. Great stuff, all you need is attitude, and you know what? I think I was right, back in 06, today? no!

The gaps can and do become too extreme at some point, I think that line was crossed in 2010. Just look at number of fights, ships used and who has sovereignity.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#46 - 2012-01-28 05:32:14 UTC
Weeble Tauri wrote:
This is my first EVE character.

I have never bought a PLEX for ISK, and within 3 months I was funding this, and another character, by buying PLEX in game.

Did I do it wrong?



No you did it right and smart. Grats, now tell me if it was worth it?Lol
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#47 - 2012-01-28 10:10:27 UTC
If you want to throw away isk for fun, you won' t have any isk to have any fun with.

We all had to struggle for many years to become wealthy space broskies with more isk than common sense or need for it. If it was good enough for us, its good enough for the rest of you space poor hobos.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-01-28 10:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Ethino wrote:
"I agree with the core points re:new players (but then new players have pay for the older players' subscriptions via PLEX) but the article discredits itself by over-exaggerating the problem.


bolded the important part

new players selling PLEX for ISK is a pretty important contribution towards retaining veteran players

(and veteran players are a huge asset to the game because they give it a tangible history, they create the 3rd party websites & apps, they lead the fleets and alliances, ... and often they just aren't starry-eyed enough to pay RL money for "EVE Online - A Bad Game")

And like all good MT models it is not necessary to sell PLEX for ISK as a new player.
I got into my first battlecruiser just fine (way before I had the proper skills to fly it) without selling GTCs (and back then tutorials didn't hand out ISK as they do today, the epic arc didn't even exist).
It is just terribly convenient to sell 1-2 PLEX for ISK and get asap into a +4 clone, get away with losing ships without having to worry about cost, buy skillbooks whenever you feel like it, ...

.
flakeys
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-01-28 11:02:49 UTC
In the 'old days' you had no PLEX etc so you automatically had no other choice then to do what needed to be done.

Now if you want to compare old and new payers one thing that has not been mentioned yet is one of the biggest issues is the way people play and look at mmorpgs these days.Everything needs to be easy , everything needs to have as little grind as possible and for the love of god we all want to be max level or somewhere near ASAP.In the 'old days' you where glad you could play such a Massive online game , it was all new , all shiny and all great.This isn't a single player game wich you just launch and starts shooting the guns right away , this is an MMORPG.

So the question is , do the new player have no choice as they NEED to be on the same level as the vets or does the new type of mmorpg player not WANT to do just the same as we oldies had to do.

Yes you're not on the same lvl as a vet but you have a crapload of more tools and choices at hand then we did , have more starting skills etc.And don't tell me new players can't make isk because i know a handfull of people who started trading a year ago wtih only a few hundred mille and now can buy a few titans and moms for themselves if they wish.There still is enough isk to be made but you have to take the time for it and YES do some 'work'.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Valei Khurelem
#50 - 2012-01-28 11:07:18 UTC
Quote:

And yet here you still are , complaining and being an ass.And you call others morons because they don't mind a little grind.


Ironic.


No, I call others morons because they seem to think that doing tedious, repetitive and poorly thought out tasks in a game is fun, the only irony here is that people like you run around convincing yourselves that all the time you spend grinding in EVE Online isn't completely worthless and if you spent the amount of time you did playing this game on something else not only would it be more fun but you'd have actually achieved something in life rather than just being forced to do another grinding session yet again as CCP release more content.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-01-28 11:18:23 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Quote:

And yet here you still are , complaining and being an ass.And you call others morons because they don't mind a little grind.


Ironic.


No, I call others morons because they seem to think that doing tedious, repetitive and poorly thought out tasks in a game is fun, the only irony here is that people like you run around convincing yourselves that all the time you spend grinding in EVE Online isn't completely worthless and if you spent the amount of time you did playing this game on something else not only would it be more fun but you'd have actually achieved something in life rather than just being forced to do another grinding session yet again as CCP release more content.


Tedium is a matter of opinion.

Fun is subjective.

Football is repetitive in that it simply consists of a series of repetitive plays to move a ball down a field, yet many find it fun.

Thus eve is either fun or it isn't based on the person. If it's not fun then don't play it, if it is fun then play it.

Check and Mate.
Valei Khurelem
#52 - 2012-01-28 11:20:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Not really no, mainly because when you have to do these actions, you have to do them for hours, upon hours, upon hours, upon hours in order to make any progress, in fact sometimes you have to even have to wait days or even months before you get to where you want to go in EVE and most people will actually paying money for this game so why should we have to just let our account run out because of crappy game design?

So no, it's not check and mate, it's pretty much, get a life and stop trying to force everyone else to go through the same bullshit you've gone through.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-01-28 11:21:16 UTC
Ethino wrote:
Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's 100% true. Even if new players want to get into this game is pretty damn harsh to establish yourself into the game without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.

[url]http://www.evenews24.com/2012/01/27/jesters-trek-strangled-in-the-crib/[/url]



It has never been easier to get started in Eve than now, it has never been easier to make isk at even low sp than now.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#54 - 2012-01-28 11:25:07 UTC
Ya know, PLEX haven't always been in the game. You young whipper snappers have it way to easy.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-01-28 11:29:46 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Ethino wrote:
Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's 100% true. Even if new players want to get into this game is pretty damn harsh to establish yourself into the game without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.

[url]http://www.evenews24.com/2012/01/27/jesters-trek-strangled-in-the-crib/[/url]



It has never been easier to get started in Eve than now, it has never been easier to make isk at even low sp than now.



I just read most of that article and its a bunch of crap tbh. If a low sp guy came ot me and said he wanted to join, seemed legit and carried himself well, then I would pay for his skill training, we would make sure he had ships, assist him in ratting for his own isk, replace the ships he loses via the srf, advise he starts slow and flies tackle to get used ot fleet mechanics.
As he grows in corp we offer to buy him his capital skills, eventually he is skilled and because our rating space is easy isk he has already saved up teh billion isk he needs. Since most of the flies in fleet are covered under srf or very cheap saving is easy.

Or, you could go and join the forces of elite pvp and do all teh above alone and without help. Of course, being as we are part of the CFC though that pilot will have been fed so much propaganda and drivel about how the CFC scam and backstab he wont want to approach us, he will go and join our enemies, providing us with more targets, and when he loses his ships, well he can always go and rat in a drake until he can afford anew one right?

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
flakeys
Doomheim
#56 - 2012-01-28 11:29:50 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Not really no, mainly because when you have to do these actions, you have to do them for hours, upon hours, upon hours, upon hours in order to make any progress, in fact sometimes you have to even have to wait days or even months before you get to where you want to go in EVE and most people will actually paying money for this game so why should we have to just let our account run out because of crappy game design?
.


So yet again then why are you even playing this game , why are you wasting that oh so precious time of yours on this forum?

Anyone with half a decent brain can get the grind level down fast.Stop blaiming others with your kiddy loud mouthed attitude for your faillure at making easy isk.



We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-01-28 11:35:42 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
get a life


"Get a life" used.

Argument invalidated.
Julyan Fox
The crossroad Co.
#58 - 2012-01-28 11:41:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Julyan Fox
The progression in EVE is pretty well balanced actually. True you don't make much ISKs when you just start the game. Simply because you don't know the ways to make more.

But I don't think miners need to wait for isks to get their next ship upgrades as soon as skills allows them, same for missioners.

Then once you know what the game has to offer... well trust me when I say a fresh new solo pilot in a t1 frigate can make 1+ billion isks a month just by logging 5-6 times for 5min a day. And it doesn't involve trading.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-01-28 11:42:48 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
Ya know, PLEX haven't always been in the game. You young whipper snappers have it way to easy.

secure GTC trades were introduced in 2007 iirc and trading GTCs for ISK had been going on long before that.

.
Valei Khurelem
#60 - 2012-01-28 11:50:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Quote:
So yet again then why are you even playing this game , why are you wasting that oh so precious time of yours on this forum?


It's very simple, I have this thing called money, I spent it on subscription, I have a legal right to complain if my product sucks so unless you're going to give me the 38.85 I paid because I know CCP won't then you can gtfo, that said I doubt someone like you would understand very much since apparently there are a ton of botters in 0.0 alliances who grind ISK for you so you can easily buy PLEX with ISK without having to pay for anything.

so yeah, I think I'll just stay here annoying you vets who think you're special just because of how long you've played the game.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium