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To Murder a Tengu
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#1 - 2012-01-26 14:11:03 UTC
Right then. I see a lot of missionrunning tengus in my sector of FW space and I find it unacceptable. The problem is...I'm really not sure how I would go about getting something that could effectively catch and kill one.

it is my understanding that Tengus generally fit 100mn afterburners which let them cruise around at 1.6-1.8 km/s. So, my gank ship either needs to be faster than that, or i need to have a friend in hero tackle with infinite webs.


The problem is, I cannot think of a ship that could reasonably do this without at least 3 people. Vaga is fast enough to catch a Tengu and stay on it, but doesn't do nearly enough damage to kill one. Any other cruiser hull would have trouble catching him, let alone killing him.

Assuming I had some manner of hero tackle that would let me actually catch him, would a webbing, neuting armorcane do the job?
Aamrr
#2 - 2012-01-26 14:15:58 UTC
The curse is looking awfully threatening...
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#3 - 2012-01-26 14:31:37 UTC
Can a curse actually catch a 100mn Tengu?
mippie
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2012-01-26 15:05:50 UTC
using a curse with a single large neut, will zap the majority of a tengus cap from in excess of 70km....added with your own 100mn (if it fits) and you will deffo catch him...or use a friend in a huggin for win eb bonuses!
lacal
Meltdown Technologies
#5 - 2012-01-26 15:27:11 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Right then. I see a lot of missionrunning tengus in my sector of FW space and I find it unacceptable. The problem is...I'm really not sure how I would go about getting something that could effectively catch and kill one.

it is my understanding that Tengus generally fit 100mn afterburners which let them cruise around at 1.6-1.8 km/s. So, my gank ship either needs to be faster than that, or i need to have a friend in hero tackle with infinite webs.


The problem is, I cannot think of a ship that could reasonably do this without at least 3 people. Vaga is fast enough to catch a Tengu and stay on it, but doesn't do nearly enough damage to kill one. Any other cruiser hull would have trouble catching him, let alone killing him.

Assuming I had some manner of hero tackle that would let me actually catch him, would a webbing, neuting armorcane do the job?


Ah I'm quite partial to killing mission running tengus, its actually surprisingly easy!

Take a look for me on killboards, if that's the kind of thing your trying to kill, then pop me an evemail - I'll be in game from 17:30ish today and can start a convo and let you in on some tricks Blink
Techno General
Trash Pandas of Kaunokka
#6 - 2012-01-26 15:35:49 UTC
Curse and friends, or assuming you can get on top of it, vindi/bhaal will do wonders.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#7 - 2012-01-26 15:45:13 UTC
Try a couple of slaved Vigilants with jam drones.
river Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-01-26 15:55:24 UTC
any other T3 should do the trick. Zealot with MWD longpoint and web if you can manage to get within 30km of one from warpin. Uhhhh.....Vagabond should be able to do it too Just remember to pound with EM. If theyre missioning they probobly dont have very high EM resist...maybe 60-70%
A'Brantox Foson
A'Brantox Foson Corporation
#9 - 2012-01-26 17:46:32 UTC
loki can, use 1 medium neut and 1 web.

heres the fit.

[Loki, New Setup 5]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Shadow Serpentis 10MN MicroWarpdrive
True Sansha Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Invulnerability Field II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


Warrior II x5

Needs a +2% PG implants.
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-01-26 17:53:03 UTC
lacal wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Right then. I see a lot of missionrunning tengus in my sector of FW space and I find it unacceptable. The problem is...I'm really not sure how I would go about getting something that could effectively catch and kill one.

it is my understanding that Tengus generally fit 100mn afterburners which let them cruise around at 1.6-1.8 km/s. So, my gank ship either needs to be faster than that, or i need to have a friend in hero tackle with infinite webs.


The problem is, I cannot think of a ship that could reasonably do this without at least 3 people. Vaga is fast enough to catch a Tengu and stay on it, but doesn't do nearly enough damage to kill one. Any other cruiser hull would have trouble catching him, let alone killing him.

Assuming I had some manner of hero tackle that would let me actually catch him, would a webbing, neuting armorcane do the job?


Ah I'm quite partial to killing mission running tengus, its actually surprisingly easy!

Take a look for me on killboards, if that's the kind of thing your trying to kill, then pop me an evemail - I'll be in game from 17:30ish today and can start a convo and let you in on some tricks Blink


someone using my Loki fit. Smile

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#11 - 2012-01-26 19:24:45 UTC
So, I assume I could tone down that loki fit and have the same effect. I don't think I need the faction LSE (which is identical to a T2 LSE except with a smaller sig radius penalty).

Would a single vagabond really work (assuming I'm using EMP)? Exactly how much of a tank do these tengus field and how much of it is just raw speed tanking?




Anyway, I could definitely do curse + huginn, that does actually seem like a pretty hilarious combination.
Orlacc
#12 - 2012-01-26 19:29:04 UTC
In high sec I find most Tengu drivers are just barely able to fly the things, have no pvp experience at all and panic easily.

Just my take.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Ehn Roh
#13 - 2012-01-26 19:51:53 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
In high sec I find most Tengu drivers are just barely able to fly the things, have no pvp experience at all and panic easily.

Just my take.


Nonsense. They're battle hardened veterans. I bet they've killed more rats in the last hour than I've killed players, ever. And quite a few of them make sure they can escape by fitting a WCS and a cloak Thats a badass fit right there. Pirate

/troll
lacal
Meltdown Technologies
#14 - 2012-01-26 19:53:27 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
So, I assume I could tone down that loki fit and have the same effect. I don't think I need the faction LSE (which is identical to a T2 LSE except with a smaller sig radius penalty).

Would a single vagabond really work (assuming I'm using EMP)? Exactly how much of a tank do these tengus field and how much of it is just raw speed tanking?

Anyway, I could definitely do curse + huginn, that does actually seem like a pretty hilarious combination.


From my experience with FW mission runners 90% of the battle is landing the point on them, you stroll up to their mission beacon in anything other than a cloaky ship then they'll be gone by the time you get into their mission. "they'll see me on the gate regardless" you cry, well that's a tip I'll offer you in game, I'm not posting it here for general consumption :)

The majority of them will have very good paper tanks, but put a medium neut on them and they will crumble remarkably quickly, even with the gimped dps that having a cloak yourself entails.

The majority of the FW tengus will themselves be cloaky, meaning their dps is in the 300dps region - I would be reluctant to go buffer tank in a 1vs1, especially when the odds are very good that your target will not be sporting a neut or a cap booster

As for 100MN AB tengus - I've only came across one FW mission runner using one as it tends to be a pvp kiting fit.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-01-27 06:30:28 UTC
Aamrr wrote:
The curse is looking awfully threatening...


Curse is looking awfully paper-thin.
Kampffalke
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-01-27 06:52:18 UTC
Take a Pilgrim. Fit something usefull into mid-slots, like Cap-Booster. Maybe an Dampener or a ECM would be nice too.

Just a suggestion.
There's no rest for the godless and the righteous need none.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#17 - 2012-01-27 06:59:26 UTC
I'd use a Hawk, Harpy, Talos, or Loki.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
HooKz
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2012-01-28 10:13:18 UTC
How about.....ANOTHER TENGU! Big smile
To mare
Advanced Technology
#19 - 2012-01-28 10:34:01 UTC
idk if this could work (probably not) but a dual rep sacrilege can go up to 2000 ms in overload (more if you dont use armor rigs)
can tank some damage and you can do to the tengu the best kind of damage you need to

i think your best bet is a vigilant with ECM drones
vorneus
Hub2
#20 - 2012-01-28 10:37:12 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I'd use a Hawk, Harpy, Talos, or Loki.

-Liang


I'd agree with all except the Harpy. While it should survive just fine it will take forever and a day to chew through a Tengu with kin/therm damage from light blasters.

I'd add Vengeance to that list too.

-Ed

This one time, I like, totally did some stuff.
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