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Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-01-28 08:00:46 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Elessa Enaka wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
People in FW get some station tweaking rights and can anchor some otherwise 0.0 exclusive modules in regions they hold like cynojammers, but by no means all.

People with high pirate faction standings get access to standings-exclusive, destructable stargates that respawn and connect to NPC space, simulating jump bridges but with NPC-generated routes.


It would be really cool if Militia members could anchor bubbles and use them sort of like checkpoints. After all, they are only tools, they aren't intrinsically bad things, it's just how they are used. I think that these ideas have some real merit.

Only militia members in their own held systems being able to anchor bubbles? That's a f'ing great idea. Shocked No troll, it would be great.


I know that you say you legitimately like the idea, but I can't shake the feeling that you are trolling....

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-01-28 08:04:00 UTC
I think it's funny to always assume that people are serious, even if they're obviously trolling.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#23 - 2012-01-28 08:35:45 UTC
Elessa Enaka wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
People in FW get some station tweaking rights and can anchor some otherwise 0.0 exclusive modules in regions they hold like cynojammers, but by no means all.

People with high pirate faction standings get access to standings-exclusive, destructable stargates that respawn and connect to NPC space, simulating jump bridges but with NPC-generated routes.


It would be really cool if Militia members could anchor bubbles and use them sort of like checkpoints. After all, they are only tools, they aren't intrinsically bad things, it's just how they are used. I think that these ideas have some real merit.



You're about the dumbest person ever, ask someone to explain why.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#24 - 2012-01-28 08:46:03 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Hello space friends;

You may or may not be aware that I am running for CSM in 2012. No hurt feelings from me if you didn't know that; honestly, I only know it because I'm the one doing it. In any event, it seems to me that the CSM could benefit from a consolidated list of what you fine folks think with regards to the present state of Low Security Space. Iterations, improvements, additions, suggestions and all manner of constructive discussion are welcome!

I realize that what I am asking is a bit out of the ordinary, because we have been trained to simply pick a politician based on what he claims to want and then to complain about the politicians who we perceive did not give us what we want. That is not the kind of politician that I am! I have no vested interest in or against Low Security Space. I bring no preconceived notions, no biases and no entanglements with me to the discussion. I just want a list of things that you, the People, would like to see done with regards to Low Security Space, and if I am elected then it is my solemn promise that I shall strive to the best of my ability to represent your expressed desires as a passionate advocate on your behalf.

So that's my spiel. Whether or not you vote for me, how about contributing to a list of things you'd like to see?

I, for one, am in love with Rifters. A vote for Lyris is a vote for Rifters.


Goons live in Null sec nap fest not low sec

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Citizen of Solitude
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#25 - 2012-01-28 08:53:24 UTC
Leave the goons and denounce them.

Then run on making low sec where you make and smuggle drugs.

Finally, become our Voice of Reason Party low sec candidate and I will work to get you elected!

Also get some of you goon friends to support us in making low sec a drug dealers haven!

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate
ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#26 - 2012-01-28 09:31:28 UTC
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ISD Eshtir

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Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-01-28 15:09:07 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Elessa Enaka wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
People in FW get some station tweaking rights and can anchor some otherwise 0.0 exclusive modules in regions they hold like cynojammers, but by no means all.

People with high pirate faction standings get access to standings-exclusive, destructable stargates that respawn and connect to NPC space, simulating jump bridges but with NPC-generated routes.


It would be really cool if Militia members could anchor bubbles and use them sort of like checkpoints. After all, they are only tools, they aren't intrinsically bad things, it's just how they are used. I think that these ideas have some real merit.



You're about the dumbest person ever, ask someone to explain why.


Oh, well, little miss high-and-mighty "I write everything in italics cause I thought the I meant that it made what I was saying important" why don't you enlighten me?

What about an idea that I proposed in an internet forum thread soliciting ideas makes me the dumbest person ever?

Can you do something other than belittle or is that all your mommy and daddy taught you by example?

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....
Aineko Macx
#28 - 2012-01-28 16:10:53 UTC
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#29 - 2012-01-28 16:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Elessa Enaka wrote:
It would be really cool if Militia members could anchor bubbles and use them sort of like checkpoints. After all, they are only tools, they aren't intrinsically bad things, it's just how they are used. I think that these ideas have some real merit.

They could be called Large Roving National Defense Checkpoint. Failure to stop before reaching the checkpoint will result in automatic blowings up and poddings.
Issler Dainze wrote:
Also get some of you goon friends to support us in making low sec a drug dealers haven!

We can't, we exist in subjugation and have no free will apart from our socialist overlords.

More seriously, I don't know how many people use the drugs (boosters?)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-01-28 19:34:11 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Goons live in Null sec nap fest not low sec

And members of elected bodies make decisions or influence policy that effects everyone, not just people like them.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Tenebrae Syrennis
Abattoir Research and Development
#31 - 2012-01-28 20:20:02 UTC
Allow Stealth-Bomber to use their bombs in losec.

No bubbles. Ever.

I have come to eat all your brains.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#32 - 2012-01-29 22:39:44 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Goons live in Null sec nap fest not low sec

And members of elected bodies make decisions or influence policy that effects everyone, not just people like them.


Precisely. [/irony + cynicism]


Ni.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#33 - 2012-01-29 22:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
But seriously, now:

Smuggler stargate network plus moving pirate-faction agents (at least the level 1 ones) to losec.

This idea is not original to me--CSM5 Chairwoman Mynxee gets the credit there--but check my flirting-with-politics thread (ref.: Post #64) for specifics.

Because if losec is a "ghetto," as I've heard it described, then where are all the drug-runners/dealers?

Ni.
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-01-30 00:43:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Pavel Bidermann
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Goons live in Null sec nap fest not low sec

And members of elected bodies make decisions or influence policy that effects everyone, not just people like them.


I think you should go back and review the recent meeting notes. The CSM clearly does not serve the game overall. Unless you're in a large null sec alliance that is.

CSM should stop messing with things they have no idea about. Not that they have any actual control over anything. Its just that CCP doesn't know how the game works either so they assume these guys do. That's a bad mix.
Kelvan Hemanseh
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#35 - 2012-01-30 15:29:51 UTC
Did that rifter serve you well?
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#36 - 2012-01-30 20:41:39 UTC
Elessa Enaka wrote:

Oh, well, little miss high-and-mighty "I write everything in italics cause I thought the I meant that it made what I was saying important" why don't you enlighten me?

What about an idea that I proposed in an internet forum thread soliciting ideas makes me the dumbest person ever?

Can you do something other than belittle or is that all your mommy and daddy taught you by example?


I can do something better, I'll explain why its a horrible idea.

Lowsec is where many of us go specifically to avoid the kind of restrictive and / or powerful measures of warfare and control such as bubbles and bombs.

Faction Warfare pilots and pirate gangs alike all have chosen to live in lowsec BECAUSE of the small scale gang warfare that thrives there.

Pilots that live and fight in lowsec choose to do so because they can engage in more casual PvP, roaming in small ships and having some freedom to choose engagements and the freedom to simply travel if they dont want to fight. Lowsec enables much more pilot freedom than nullsec provides, specifically because of things like Bubble camps.

The Faction Warfare community has been specifically fighting all proposals to the FW system that resemble creating a "null sec lite" , and to put it bluntly the proposal outlined in the recent summit minutes was extremely 0.0-biased and if implemented would destroy the very reason WHY faction warfare pilots PvP in FW and not in nullsec.

No self-respecting Faction Warfare pilot has any interest in bringing bombs or bubbles to lowsec. I have yet to meet a single one, and I've been the primary person leading the Faction Warfare community's calls for reform. We are almost unanimously opposed to measures that force 0.0-style gameplay onto lowsec residents.

While the idea may seem good to you, it has nothing to do with what the FW community wants for itself.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-01-30 21:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Goons live in Null sec nap fest not low sec

And members of elected bodies make decisions or influence policy that effects everyone, not just people like them.


I think you should go back and review the recent meeting notes. The CSM clearly does not serve the game overall. Unless you're in a large null sec alliance that is.

CSM should stop messing with things they have no idea about. Not that they have any actual control over anything. Its just that CCP doesn't know how the game works either so they assume these guys do. That's a bad mix.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

I am asserting that whomever goes to the CSM, be it someone you vote for or someone you do not vote for, is going to be making decisions that are nominally made on your behalf, and which will potentially impact the aspects of EVE Online that involve you. While acknowledging that it is the point you are making, the assertion that the present CSM is dominated entirely by Null Sec players pursuing a Null Sec agenda is not relevant to the point that I was trying to make.

That point, rephrased, is that if I am elected to the CSM despite the fact that Player X does not wish me to be there, I am still at least nominally in a position to make decisions and proposals on behalf of Player X and, again at least nominally, in support of Player X's interests; therefore, even if Player X does not intend to vote for me it is still in Player X's better interest to inform me of his position on issues so that, in the off change that I actually do stick to the nominal job description of an elected representative, I can present those issues and argue those opinions on his behalf, which I cannot do unless I am informed as to what they are. That is all I am asking people to do in this thread, is to inform me of their desires. Of course, if you presuppose that I am going to completely disregard anything that's not in keeping with the interests of Null Sec then I can see why you wouldn't see a point in bothering to tell me, but that's an entirely different argument.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-01-30 21:15:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Kelvan Hemanseh wrote:
Did that rifter serve you well?

It was very strange to be flying a Rifter that was competently fit for combat. The ones that I usually fly are competent, but they are fit specifically to be low-skill ships that brand new players can fly and are designed for a specialized fleet role as fast tackle and scouts. In any event, that Rifter got me to where I was going, and then I logged off for the night.

Thank you, so much, space friend, for that Rifter!


e: format

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-01-30 21:21:28 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

Pilots that live and fight in lowsec choose to do so because they can engage in more casual PvP, roaming in small ships and having some freedom to choose engagements and the freedom to simply travel if they dont want to fight. Lowsec enables much more pilot freedom than nullsec provides, specifically because of things like Bubble camps.

The Faction Warfare community has been specifically fighting all proposals to the FW system that resemble creating a "null sec lite" , and to put it bluntly the proposal outlined in the recent summit minutes was extremely 0.0-biased and if implemented would destroy the very reason WHY faction warfare pilots PvP in FW and not in nullsec.

No self-respecting Faction Warfare pilot has any interest in bringing bombs or bubbles to lowsec. I have yet to meet a single one, and I've been the primary person leading the Faction Warfare community's calls for reform. We are almost unanimously opposed to measures that force 0.0-style gameplay onto lowsec residents.

Hans, thank you for your reply!

I appreciate that you have elaborated on what I would call a philosophy or attitude towards Low Sec that you share with many of your compatriots, and I think it is very useful to have that as a part of the dialog. But at the same time I notice your comments so far are reserved mostly for shooting down ideas to preserve the status quo. Is that because you believe everything is just fine as it is right now, or is it because you have simply been trying to talk down the ideas of others? If it is the latter, then I invite you to provide some of your own ideas to the discussion so that we can have a more varied dialog and engage in debate. Is it safe for me to assume that in differentiating the Faction Warfare community from Low Sec in general that you feel there are specific needs which ought to be addressed in addition to or separate entirely from those regarding Low Sec in general? If so, then I would like you to express those ideas.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#40 - 2012-01-30 21:47:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I appreciate that you have elaborated on what I would call a philosophy or attitude towards Low Sec that you share with many of your compatriots, and I think it is very useful to have that as a part of the dialog. But at the same time I notice your comments so far are reserved mostly for shooting down ideas to preserve the status quo. Is that because you believe everything is just fine as it is right now, or is it because you have simply been trying to talk down the ideas of others? If it is the latter, then I invite you to provide some of your own ideas to the discussion so that we can have a more varied dialog and engage in debate. Is it safe for me to assume that in differentiating the Faction Warfare community from Low Sec in general that you feel there are specific needs which ought to be addressed in addition to or separate entirely from those regarding Low Sec in general? If so, then I would like you to express those ideas.


I have spoken extensively about lowsec and Faction Warfare, and both what we are fighting for and what we are fighting against. In the interest of saving time and space, I'll simply refer you to my threadnought, though I'm not quite sure how you've missed it all these months! Blink

So no, I certainly don't believe everything is fine right now. But I believe that the residents of lowsec should be the ones that decide the future of lowsec space. We live here for a specific type of gameplay, we enjoy certain freedoms, and we loathe certain aspects of nullsec life that we find very boring and don't want integrated into lowsec overhauls.

This is not to trash on nullsec in anyway - many of the problems facing Faction Warfare and lowsec activity in general are similar to the stagnation in fighting in nullsec, which also stems from core mechanical issues that were broken in a half-ass expansion that was never iterated upon. Just as FW was released in Empyrian Age than abandoned, the nullsec soveriegnty system was released in Dominion than abandoned. Both are long overdue for iterative upgrades.

As for FW vs the rest of lowsec, the reality is that Faction Warfare makes up the bulk of lowsec-specific gameplay mechanics, everything else can be found in variation between highsec and nullsec. Lowsec is home to much pirate activity, which roams around and feeds on many of the Faction Warfare ships as a primary "food source" along with fortune-seekers from highsec willing to venture beyond .5 space. This is why I say that fixing Faction Warfare is also tremendously good for the rest of lowsec PvP'ers as well.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary