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Minerals and the eventual drone change?
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Adunh Slavy
#21 - 2012-01-26 22:37:23 UTC
Jorn Isu wrote:

Adunh Slavy wrote:

But, if you have the capital and the patience, now is the time, long before the speculation begins. Buy and Hold.

lol


Well yes, the "lol" is waranted, soon as the minutes were released the speculation begins to become "public", but many do not act on things until they are more "official", in a dev blog or patch notes, for instance. CSM minutes are not stone, they can and will change, they have reported things in the past that have not come to pass and a few things never mentioned in minutes, did come about. There is still risk in the early investments.

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Trading Gives MeWood
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-01-27 03:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Trading Gives MeWood
Casius Omega wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
How about low end minerals? Don't you get a /lot/ of those from the drone mats, in comparison to the high ends.



yea you get a lot of trit and pyrite from drone poo.. expect trit to go up another 1 isk/pu


I think you got it all wrong here. The reason why the drone poo was so nice is that building supers takes a BUTT TON of the lower end minerals. While making it harder to get them in 0.0 would certianly increase purchases from Jita, one of the reasons why this is such an advantage for drone space is that they don't have to take jump freighter after jump freighter load into 0.0 to construct supers.

Trit and Pyerite are something I never transport to 0.0 to produce, they are abundant in that space as well (veld still spawns in belts) and I don't think it will start anytime soon simply because it would take 4 jump freighter (3 full plus remainder) loads to produce a single rorqual (1/10 of the price of a super).
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#23 - 2012-01-27 03:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Skydell
I doubt we will ever see 4000 ISK/ Zydrine but it's crawling back up little by little. Slowly and for 3 reasons. 1: nothing is confirmed, 2: There is just so much of it, 3: We still don't have the demand for replacements we once had.

I really don't understand the trit thing, never did knowing high sec miners as I do it's more to do with them playing the market too. They aren't selling and won't untill hulkageddon rolls in just because they know they will get more then. Guys I talk to are sitting on 500 mill right now.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#24 - 2012-01-27 06:10:07 UTC
Trading Gives MeWood wrote:

Trit and Pyerite are something I never transport to 0.0 to produce, they are abundant in that space as well (veld still spawns in belts) and I don't think it will start anytime soon simply because it would take 4 jump freighter (3 full plus remainder) loads to produce a single rorqual (1/10 of the price of a super).


300k m3 holds 2.4 million units of XL projectile ammo

2.4M rounds of EMP XL is (if my math is correct) about:
384M units of Tritanium
27M units of Pyerite
19M units of Mexallon

To haul that many units of minerals out as minerals would have taken about 4.3M m3 of space.

So, not sure why you wouldn't produce XL ammos (or one of the other items) and just haul that out and eat a 5-10% loss at the refinery to save on a few trips?
WuMaTih
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-01-27 16:47:05 UTC  |  Edited by: WuMaTih
They will change them to bounties.. its one of the biggest reasons of why there are soo many supercaps. CCP don't like everyone complaining about supers so this will be one step to slow the proliferation of SC's.

Oh and if you look at the current amount of zydrine in jita there really isnt THAT much below 1000isk p/u
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#26 - 2012-01-27 22:19:49 UTC
WuMaTih wrote:
They will change them to bounties.. its one of the biggest reasons of why there are soo many supercaps. CCP don't like everyone complaining about supers so this will be one step to slow the proliferation of SC's.

Oh and if you look at the current amount of zydrine in jita there really isnt THAT much below 1000isk p/u


In terms of production volumes, there is alot of Zydrine in Jita. The thing with Zydrine is, you just don't need that much.

Avatar, just under 3 millon Zydrine. Trit for that Avatar? 4 Billion.

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Steve Ronuken
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#27 - 2012-01-28 00:03:43 UTC
If you're going to shift trit, you use 425mm railgun 1s. fits about 2000 trit into 1m3. (800mm arty 1s does 2500, but you need double the number to fill in, if you're manufacturing them for shifting stuff).

If space is a limitation, you /never/ move raw minerals.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#28 - 2012-01-28 08:05:21 UTC
If drones move to bounties:

More isk in the economy. Any isk making activity has been devalued.

Less minerals in the economy. Any mineral supply activity increases in value.

Prices rise and everyone pays more.
The miners still make a much larger increase in pay compared to prices.

Player base sees that miners have more buying power then before and all others have less.
Some players especially newer ones will go into or stick with mining/manufactoring.
This will continue until enough people % wise have moved into mining and the cost come back down and find an equal librium once again.
The prices will never drop fully back down to what they are before the change but they will spike then drop and flatten somewhere inbetween the peak and valley. (( This aspect is assuming that all other aspects of eve are left unchanged which is never the case )) This is only one of many effects the market will experiance during this time.
Will be nice to see more miners as this heavy pvp game needs more things to shoot at.

Enjoy the ride.
Baillif
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-01-29 04:46:06 UTC
Miners hoping to make their profession more profitable are probably fooling themselves in the long run. They are at or near the bottom of the production chain. They are the EVE equivalent of peasant laborers digging around in the dirt for raw resources and wondering why they have less than the people who do everything else up the chain.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#30 - 2012-01-29 08:01:32 UTC
Baillif wrote:
Miners hoping to make their profession more profitable are probably fooling themselves in the long run. They are at or near the bottom of the production chain. They are the EVE equivalent of peasant laborers digging around in the dirt for raw resources and wondering why they have less than the people who do everything else up the chain.


Market discussions and mining are only loosley related. Markets are about capitalism, not mining or production. Granted I don't buy and sell minerals any more than I mine them but it's one of those things I watch along with other items on the market.
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