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met worst

Doomheim

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#61 - 2012-01-28 07:08:25 UTC

KrakizBad wrote:

met worst wrote:

2bhammered wrote:

KrakizBad wrote:

Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much?

Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!!

Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary".

If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in.

Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty.

Post with your main.

Also, Big smile

This IS my main.

Also, Roll

Umega

Solis Mensa

Likes received: 157

#62 - 2012-01-28 07:08:57 UTC

2bhammered wrote:

Umega wrote:

2bhammered wrote:

I have done command, leading squads in pvp and fleets,usually roaming ones and sometimes, cringes*, bubble camps. I have also run a corp years ago. Meta games to me are boring and too time consuming, I miss the days when I would log on with my ****** SP noob char and attack and ransom people in my rifter, merlin or tank gate guns and scare the **** out of surprised people in lowsec with a shield extended caracal. But now I find ship, mechanics, graphics and fighting scenarios, damn, everything to just be very very boring. I spend more time on EFT or something than ingame and even if I spent more time ingame it would just be a waste of chasing ghosts or hiding/docked.

Maybe it is just boring because it gets old after years of few things to play with in the sandbox, maybe too many people with too much SP and ISK, maybe we need arena style or battleground pvp? or an eve 2.0 or deletion of capitals and complete change to highsec, lowsec and sovereignity, not sure. But for now, boooring, most people I know feel the same way, especially veterans. Maybe change, scrap the skill system or make the cap a lot smaller.

Again, more thoughts are welcome!

To be honest, I feel there is a lack in game design by CCP in regards to PVP over the years, I think they have done a bad job. Not being mean, it is my honest heartfelt opinion about a company I do hold in a VERY high esteem.

While part of me seriously thinks you have alternate motives here.. and are fishing for something to poke and prod, drudge up and then unveil as some eye awakening moment for everyone else..

I'll take it at face value and point to this post of yours. Quite simply.. Take a break from the game.

This game is not the game you are looking for. Asking for Instances (yes you are).. quite honestly.. makes me want to kick you, hard.. in the face.

There is the side of you wanting the noob way of life.. then the side that seems to want more now faster, which contradictes what it is to be a fresh noob.

The only thing stopping you from ransoming ppl in a frig and flying a caracal is yourself.. find a different lowsec area to pirate if the one you're working doesn't produce. Check map.. look at bottlenecks, find ones that are lower in 'ships lost per 24/hour' than other bottlenecks. Why? Because most ppl looking for fights are going where kills are.. the ones not lff are going to take the safer route, and thus.. you have more targets to exploit than competition.

Calm down, I love CCP, I love EVE Online for what it is does, I took a break, almost 5 years, it is more boring today than back then. I asked for instancing? If you refer to my idea about having an arena style of CCP alliance tournament in the game then yes I did ask for that. But you don't need instancing in order to implement that, just for the record.

Also kicking me in the face would be a bad idea, I suggest working on your temper before you have a seizure and you will if you re-act like that to every internet opinion you do not agree with.

I am not a fresh noob, sorry to spoil it for you. As for finding a pirate area lol pirating today is enough plate/shield and alpha and sit at a gate in lowsec and hope for luck and if enemy is too strong I just leave before you get to me, again, zzzzzzz

Only ones getting fights that you try to convince me exist anymore are those who are the real noobs in this game catching other noobs and having a noobish fight waiting for more hours than any other form of entertainment would take and be less rewarding than reading ECO by Umberto...

Okey dokes. You completely missed my points.. or are purposely dicing them up..

I definitely should have went for first thought on your intentions here. My bad. 8/10

And I think it would be a fantastic idea.

Ume-Pro Studios

KrakizBad

Section 8.

Likes received: 1,421

#63 - 2012-01-28 07:11:12 UTC

met worst wrote:

KrakizBad wrote:

met worst wrote:

2bhammered wrote:

KrakizBad wrote:

Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much?

Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!!

Post with your main.

Also, Big smile

This IS my main.

Also, Roll

Awww, now I feel bad for you. Ugh

2bhammered

Cyberpunk 2077

Likes received: 81

#64 - 2012-01-28 07:15:41 UTC

Umega wrote:

2bhammered wrote:

Umega wrote:

2bhammered wrote:

Ok so what would you have me do? check bottlenecks?ok /docks/cloaks/safespot ok and as for using the mapto find fights :P I used intel channels for that, map takes too long to update and for other reasons is pretty much useless. Also I stop myself, ok so I should make a new char and expect the fun of launch? doesn't work in reality sorry, eve UNI fights prove that, also I donated money to them, a lot and I still want my name on their plaque :(

So you made an argument, I argue it and now I am the troll because you say so, good for you!

RubyPorto

RubysRhymes

Likes received: 5,663

#65 - 2012-01-28 07:17:34 UTC

2bhammered wrote:

RubyPorto wrote:

2bhammered wrote:

I don't play D&D hence why I used it in that context because D&D bores me to death Blink

pay attention

(wizards of the coast is alright though.)

You said D&D and Wet Dreams are more fun than EvE.

I find that my Wet Dreams are pretty enjoyable and, assuming that you felt the same about said Wet Dreams, drew the conclusion that you also found D&D enjoyable.

Sorry I was not clear enough, I do not have wetdreams since I have sex and I find D&D with pen and paper to be extremly boring but still both activites is and would be more fun than a night of playing EvE Online. I do forgive you though Big smile

On a positive note, at least when I am not the FC I can just do other things like cleaning my house and IF a fight happens I will hear it thanks to mumble or TS. Problem now is I figured out is even better ifI just don't turn on EVE at all and just play something else or watch movies etc.

Oooh, the big bad EvE player with his ____friend (who am I to assume or judge). I haven't noticed that an active sex life affects my rate of wet dreams (though I can't be sure, the lipstick smudges are a new feature).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon


met worst Doomheim Likes received: 139	#66 - 2012-01-28 07:18:33 UTC KrakizBad wrote: met worst wrote: This IS my main. Also, . Awww, now I feel bad for you. Nah. It's OK. I used to fly with you dude. Psstt... Hows VFK goin? Also, .

2bhammered

Cyberpunk 2077

Likes received: 81

#67 - 2012-01-28 07:23:07 UTC

RubyPorto wrote:

2bhammered wrote:

RubyPorto wrote:

2bhammered wrote:

I don't play D&D hence why I used it in that context because D&D bores me to death Blink

pay attention

(wizards of the coast is alright though.)

Who am I to argue on how your body works but in my own experience and as far as I know wetdreams start at puberty and ends when you get some. At least for me Lol

Ok I am calling quits to this line of thought and discussion before it gets too bad What?

KrakizBad

Section 8.

Likes received: 1,421

#68 - 2012-01-28 07:26:05 UTC

met worst wrote:

KrakizBad wrote:

met worst wrote:

This IS my main.

Also, Roll

Awww, now I feel bad for you. Ugh

Nah. It's OK. I used to fly with you dude.

Psstt... Hows VFK goin?

Also, Twisted

Still held by us, and I hear the drake gang that flew in came to a bad end tonight. Also, didn't you claim to be a WN member? That would mean you flew against me, not with me. See sig.

Also to OP, have you considered acting in more of a supervisory capacity?

met worst

Doomheim

Likes received: 139

#69 - 2012-01-28 07:28:49 UTC

KrakizBad wrote:

met worst wrote:

KrakizBad wrote:

met worst wrote:

This IS my main.

Also, Roll

Awww, now I feel bad for you. Ugh

Nah. It's OK. I used to fly with you dude.

Psstt... Hows VFK goin?

Also, Twisted

FLEW is past tense. Blink


met worst Doomheim Likes received: 139	#70 - 2012-01-28 07:30:35 UTC 2bhammered wrote: Who am I to argue on how your body works but in my own experience and as far as I know wetdreams start at puberty and ends when you get some. At least for me Ok I am calling quits to this line of thought and discussion before it gets too bad I "get" plenty some and I get heaps of wetdreams about what I got some of.

2bhammered

Cyberpunk 2077

Likes received: 81

#71 - 2012-01-28 07:30:57 UTC | Edited by: 2bhammered

KrakizBad wrote:

met worst wrote:

KrakizBad wrote:

met worst wrote:

This IS my main.

Also, Roll

Awww, now I feel bad for you. Ugh

Nah. It's OK. I used to fly with you dude.

Psstt... Hows VFK goin?

Also, Twisted

Asked and answered.

I guess bottom line, my point is... eve lacks in enough action for my taste and the action I get when I receive it is too dull and boring. Bottomline it is all about what is fun to you, still have enough plex to not pay for the next 6 months, so well if I ever face the choice of having to pay another cent I wont and if CCP change the game for the better I might change my mind when that time comes. But I hope CCP gets the message, also I would probably stay if we had some form of ranked Arena.

Peace all, thanks for everyones though, enjoy, keep discussing if you want to, like me if you like me, ignore me if you don't.

Back to SC2 for me now.

PS: I will be back when I need to /change skill then leave again...


met worst Doomheim Likes received: 139	#72 - 2012-01-28 07:42:40 UTC 2bhammered wrote: .........also I would probably stay if we had some form of ranked Arena. Oh my.

RubyPorto

RubysRhymes

Likes received: 5,663

#73 - 2012-01-28 07:55:27 UTC

met worst wrote:

2bhammered wrote:

.........also I would probably stay if we had some form of ranked Arena.

Oh my.

There's a pallet of cans of worms we don't need.

2bhammered

Cyberpunk 2077

Likes received: 81

#74 - 2012-01-28 08:48:20 UTC | Edited by: 2bhammered

RubyPorto wrote:

met worst wrote:

2bhammered wrote:

.........also I would probably stay if we had some form of ranked Arena.

Oh my.

There's a pallet of cans of worms we don't need.

Why? does it hurt you or the game if there was a gameplay feature/mechanic offering people to participate in similar gameplay to that of alliance tournament? on a regular basis with a ranking system/ladders. Or what do you seem to conjure up when I used the word "arena"?

I took the word from moba myself. Or do you hate moba's and any form of competitive play? is PVP only fun if you zerg/blob your enemy at a gate camp?? If so you answered my earlier statement as to why PVP is boring in EVE in my opinion, or at least part of it.

EnslaverOfMinmatar

You gonna get aped

Likes received: 67

#75 - 2012-01-28 08:51:42 UTC

P v P is boring because I will win 100%. P v 6P is boring because those 6 noobs in 4 drakes, cane and a sleipnir warp out the moment I turn red.
P v P is fun in Lineage 2, you just leave a lot of bodies on the ground and go to the next area. Maybe you should play Lineage 2 instead of this crap?

Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07

2bhammered

Cyberpunk 2077

Likes received: 81

#76 - 2012-01-28 08:56:47 UTC

EnslaverOfMinmatar wrote:

Played it way, way back but ended up spending more of my time back then in SWG and other games. Today I hear it has gone f2p but I bet it is too old for me to enjoy, like this game is too old. My next MMO an MO on the horizon for me to try is GW2, Diablo 3 (if ever released) and maybe Tera if it survives the lawsuits for being too much lineage 3 or the New CS mmm yeah, also planetside 2 looks nice, no thanks on lineage 2 but good tip though.

Valei Khurelem

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#77 - 2012-01-28 10:01:22 UTC | Edited by: Valei Khurelem

2bhammered wrote:

Renarla wrote:

Maybe this isn't the game for you...?

It was for many years. Any thoughts?

Because like me, you've realised that PvP in EVE Online is a rigged game and that nothing you ever do as a player will change that because in the end the group on the other side of the turrets will have played longer, got more people at their back and have the more expensive ships while refusing to ever fight against someone they might lose to because they're too afraid to lose it all.

As it stands now, playing the market has more skill based PvP than the actual pew pew PvP does, you're going to get trolled though for daring to suggest this because apparently if you do you're either stupid or you should leave even though the game style that this has been intended for is completely broken.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." - CCP Ytterbium

Jojo Jackson

Dead Red Eye

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#78 - 2012-01-28 10:15:22 UTC

big fleets: Zoom camara as far as posible out and play C64 red dots against blue dots. Warp at 10/30/50/200 km, lock red dot, press 1
small fleets: Hang around station or pos or gate for hours doing nothing but WAIT.

No taktical movement to use the areal for cover (you can even shot through asteroids, planets and stations). It's not even posible to use a big ship as cover for small ships as you just shout through.

Can you imagin how cool it would be to hide your frig+cruiser fleet behind a super-tanked mothership just to let them swarm out at the right moment and engage?

Except save-point hunting there is sooooo much space which is never used for fighting. It all happens close to some bigger strukture. No hunting around hills using small or hidden pathes with your frig to excape the big ships.

Just transversale or range as only "tacticel" movement.

That's why PvP in EvE is boring.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!

met worst

Doomheim

Likes received: 139

#79 - 2012-01-28 10:17:01 UTC

2bhammered wrote:

RubyPorto wrote:

met worst wrote:

2bhammered wrote:

.........also I would probably stay if we had some form of ranked Arena.

Oh my.

There's a pallet of cans of worms we don't need.

On part I there is. it's called 0.0. My **** is better than your **** but if you think your **** is better than my **** then come try and blow my **** up. All PURELY optional.

As for part II, camps. Their **** is better than your **** but you didn't know their **** was better until you lost your **** when you jumped. Use a disposable scout. Also PURELY optional.

A bad game is one that has mechanic that says you can't win. In Eve the whole game is wrapped around the fact that you could.

HOW and WHEN you try to "deathmatch" is YOUR call.

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Sicex Likes received: 67	#80 - 2012-01-28 12:12:51 UTC \| Edited by: Sicex The fact that other game communities talk about the brutality of EVE PVP means your point is empty. ... I could even insert the meme: "You're not doing it right," and most EVE players would know what I mean.

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