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2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#41 - 2012-01-28 05:45:04 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
2bhammered wrote:

Because maybe having no local is why people are even more chicken than normal, thus you have to force them to accept no local in any place, force them to stop running of to "safe spots" and only fight when they dictate circumstances because they are so afraid of losing their epeen is hurting PVP and whatever fun it use to be/is.


HA HA Ha HEE HE HAW HOO HAH EHE AHA AAH

HEE HEE HAW HAW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA

Yeah, no. If you can't catch people without local, and can't catch them with Local, maybe the presence or absence of local isn't the source of your difficulties.



Catch? first off you get no "like" from me because your attempt at humor failed horriblyRoll Next time use more kittens and or latest memes.

As for "catching" people, what is this? tom and jerry? all of EVE Online PVP is a game of cat and mouse and as much as it is fun sometimes or use to be, there is nothing else to do... come on... if a gate camp sees local jump more than they camp they jump out ther camp, here comes solo guy, VS everybody, oooohhh I blew up a shuttle, aaaawwww I ganked someone in highsec lol seriously? how long have you played eve? when will you stop trying to be "cool" in eve and face facts, it is booooring. I and the other forum warriors would tear you a new one back 5 years ago if you sneezed at EVE, but not anymore nor does any of my friends from back then either,

why?


game is boring, for both carebears and hardcore. It is boring for the strategist l33t chest master who waits forever, because game mechanics fail at offering enough reward for such a player, unless we speak of metagame politics. It is boring for the PVP drone, laggy fleet fights and wait=boring, it sucks for the funny pirate=no targets to be had or fun small fights besides once in a bluemoon.

Who is this game funny for? miners? mining is neither fun nor more boring back in beta lol do I want to pay/play a game for almost a decade to mine? ok haul? science? tech 2 bpo was nice for an industrist if he won back in the lottery days, today? PI? lol and what do we got to look forward? 3d space walk? buying a PS3 to fight over nullsec PI?

/sigh
met worst
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-01-28 06:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: met worst
2bhammered wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much?


Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!!

Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary".

If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in.

Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#43 - 2012-01-28 06:06:21 UTC  |  Edited by: 2bhammered
met worst wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much?


Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!!

Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary".

If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in.

Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty.



I have been FC enough to know when to yell "troll!"Cool

FC=full on caffeine
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#44 - 2012-01-28 06:13:30 UTC
met worst wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much?


Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!!

Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary".

If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in.

Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty.


Oh god. I just liked a met worst post. Fuck me for reading the content before looking at the author.



But yeah, EvE PvP is real people interacting. There are 4 types of fights anywhere:
1) Both sides are aware of each other
2) One side ambushes the other
3) Neither side are aware of the other
4) Duels


1) Happens when there's something (a timer, tackled Carrier, whatever) to fight over, or if one side brings in a little of 2) by hiding its power.

2) Happens a lot as well, but you have to work to make it happen for you.

3) Results in some awesome GFs. Had one where a gang roamed into a staging fleet. Both were surprised.

4) Can be fun


You seem to want type 2 fights, you're going to need to put the work in to ambush someone. If you want type 1 fights, you're going to need to put the work in and start a timer. Type 3, you can't predict. Type 4, you got RvB (one giant duel with sub-duels available), corp mates, etc.

In other words, you gotta put the work in. Or just poke around and don't avoid people's attempt to spring type 2) fights on you.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
yer mammy
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-01-28 06:17:38 UTC
you're obviously not looking to be convinced eve is fun. every game runs its course and becomes boring after a while to someone. games are most fun when we're still learning and discovering. once you stop being stimulated in that way, the reaction is 'game stupid/boring. i quit!' instead of making a thread for attention, most people just move on.

i'd say if it took 10 years to finally become bored of the game, CCP did pretty well.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#46 - 2012-01-28 06:25:17 UTC  |  Edited by: 2bhammered
yer mammy wrote:
you're obviously not looking to be convinced eve is fun. every game runs its course and becomes boring after a while to someone. games are most fun when we're still learning and discovering. once you stop being stimulated in that way, the reaction is 'game stupid/boring. i quit!' instead of making a thread for attention, most people just move on.

i'd say if it took 10 years to finally become bored of the game, CCP did pretty well.



not almost 10 years, more like 3 in total to be honest.

I agree somewhat with you but I also do not agree, some games I know are still fun even playing them for 10 years. Or they were fun enough I was happy when I left.

Also I did not ask for my attention with this post as much as I wanted attention to the fact (yes I know.. opinion) that EvE Online is boring. Also I wanted to ask why it became boring, did CCP do something wrong in game design over last years or is the game just too old that most veterans such as I have left or is it something else? I was going to put a "like" on your post until you accused me of being a rage quitter/troll/attention seeker instead of getting the point of my OP.


Also to the other poster (RubyPorto) previously not whom I quote in this post, it is not just about having to work hard for your fun. Working hard for entertainment has its limits, you need more "work" today than 5 years ago and the rewards is "less" than back then. Possibly spending a whole weekend for 1 or 2 fights or 1or 2 lagfleets snooze fests is not worth any amount or money or time invested to buy PLEX.

You say a group ran into your camp and both were suprised? really? you are the first fleet I have come across camping a gate being surprised seeing an enemy, which proves my point that you were so bored you were taken by surprise that you actualy got to fight for once instead of watching movies and listening to eve radio. And a group ran intoyou surprised? what they were a bunch of noobs in frigates who never heard of the sacred art of "scouting"? right...

Also who won? If you lost and did not knowit beforehand and jumped away when they came you need to get a better FC, one with 2 IQ, if you stayed and won your enemy was stupid.

EVE PVP=fight when you know you win and don't when you know you lose
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#47 - 2012-01-28 06:29:09 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
yer mammy wrote:
you're obviously not looking to be convinced eve is fun. every game runs its course and becomes boring after a while to someone. games are most fun when we're still learning and discovering. once you stop being stimulated in that way, the reaction is 'game stupid/boring. i quit!' instead of making a thread for attention, most people just move on.

i'd say if it took 10 years to finally become bored of the game, CCP did pretty well.



not almost 10 years, more like 3 in total to be honest.

I agree somewhat with you but I also do not agree, some games I know are still fun even playing them for 10 years. Or they were fun enough I was happy when I left.

Also I did not ask for my attention with this post as much as I wanted attention to the fact (yes I know.. opinion) that EvE Online is boring. Also I wanted to ask why it became boring, did CCP do something wrong in game design over last years or is the game just too old that most veterans such as I have left or is it something else? I was going to put a "like" on your post until you accused me of being a rage quitter/troll/attention seeker instead of getting the point of my OP.


It's not boring to me. There are aspects which I do find boring, but I avoid those aspects. Eve is pretty good at allowing me to avoid those aspects.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-01-28 06:33:32 UTC
eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#49 - 2012-01-28 06:35:21 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be



Which is why D&D and my wetdreams are more fun than eve is?!
met worst
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-01-28 06:40:57 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
met worst wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much?


Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!!

Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary".

If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in.

Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty.


Oh god. I just liked a met worst post. Fuck me for reading the content before looking at the author.


So take the damned thing back you, you, you, Indian Giver thingy you....

Ohh. It's you RabidPronto.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#51 - 2012-01-28 06:41:21 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be



Which is why D&D and my wetdreams are more fun than eve is?!


You are in a dark room. You are most likely eaten by a Gazebo.

Roll a fire mage.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#52 - 2012-01-28 06:45:18 UTC  |  Edited by: 2bhammered
RubyPorto wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be



Which is why D&D and my wetdreams are more fun than eve is?!


You are in a dark room. You are most likely eaten by a Gazebo.

Roll a fire mage.



I am a fire mage!! pew pew large pulse laser spec level 5 P

You know? my fire mage was more fun in WoW than in EvE Sad trans speedz man it is all about dem trans speed!!! /zzz

f1 f2 f3..
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#53 - 2012-01-28 06:47:43 UTC
met worst wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
met worst wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much?


Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!!

Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary".

If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in.

Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty.


Oh god. I just liked a met worst post. Fuck me for reading the content before looking at the author.


So take the damned thing back you, you, you, Indian Giver thingy you....

Ohh. It's you RabidPronto.


I take my spacebook liking very seriously Roll. But really, not gonna take it back. To much of that silly agreement with ideas thing going on here (and I think here only. I can't always keep track of who I'm arguing with over what topics Oops).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#54 - 2012-01-28 06:49:09 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
2bhammered wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be



Which is why D&D and my wetdreams are more fun than eve is?!


You are in a dark room. You are most likely eaten by a Gazebo.

Roll a fire mage.



I am a fire mage!! pew pew large pulse laser spec level 5 P

You know? my fire mage was more fun in WoW than in EvE Sad trans speedz man it is all about dem trans speed!!! /zzz

f1 f2 f3..



Sounds like you haven't heard of Eric the Paladin and the Dread Gazeebo, which invites me to doubt that you play D&D.

EDIT: If you have more fun playing something that is not EvE, I strongly suggest you do that. It's what I intend to do if/when I become dissatisfied with the game.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#55 - 2012-01-28 06:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: 2bhammered
RubyPorto wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
eve is only as exciting as your initiative and imagination lets it be



Which is why D&D and my wetdreams are more fun than eve is?!


You are in a dark room. You are most likely eaten by a Gazebo.

Roll a fire mage.



I am a fire mage!! pew pew large pulse laser spec level 5 P

You know? my fire mage was more fun in WoW than in EvE Sad trans speedz man it is all about dem trans speed!!! /zzz

f1 f2 f3..



Sounds like you haven't heard of Eric the Paladin and the Dread Gazeebo, which invites me to doubt that you play D&D.



I don't play D&D hence why I used it in that context because D&D bores me to death Blink pay attentionAttentionAttentionAttention

(wizards of the coast is alright though.)
Umega
Solis Mensa
#56 - 2012-01-28 06:53:37 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
I have done command, leading squads in pvp and fleets,usually roaming ones and sometimes, cringes*, bubble camps. I have also run a corp years ago. Meta games to me are boring and too time consuming, I miss the days when I would log on with my ****** SP noob char and attack and ransom people in my rifter, merlin or tank gate guns and scare the **** out of surprised people in lowsec with a shield extended caracal. But now I find ship, mechanics, graphics and fighting scenarios, damn, everything to just be very very boring. I spend more time on EFT or something than ingame and even if I spent more time ingame it would just be a waste of chasing ghosts or hiding/docked.

Maybe it is just boring because it gets old after years of few things to play with in the sandbox, maybe too many people with too much SP and ISK, maybe we need arena style or battleground pvp? or an eve 2.0 or deletion of capitals and complete change to highsec, lowsec and sovereignity, not sure. But for now, boooring, most people I know feel the same way, especially veterans. Maybe change, scrap the skill system or make the cap a lot smaller.

Again, more thoughts are welcome!

To be honest, I feel there is a lack in game design by CCP in regards to PVP over the years, I think they have done a bad job. Not being mean, it is my honest heartfelt opinion about a company I do hold in a VERY high esteem.


While part of me seriously thinks you have alternate motives here.. and are fishing for something to poke and prod, drudge up and then unveil as some eye awakening moment for everyone else..

I'll take it at face value and point to this post of yours. Quite simply.. Take a break from the game.

This game is not the game you are looking for. Asking for Instances (yes you are).. quite honestly.. makes me want to kick you, hard.. in the face.

There is the side of you wanting the noob way of life.. then the side that seems to want more now faster, which contradictes what it is to be a fresh noob.

The only thing stopping you from ransoming ppl in a frig and flying a caracal is yourself.. find a different lowsec area to pirate if the one you're working doesn't produce. Check map.. look at bottlenecks, find ones that are lower in 'ships lost per 24/hour' than other bottlenecks. Why? Because most ppl looking for fights are going where kills are.. the ones not lff are going to take the safer route, and thus.. you have more targets to exploit than competition.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#57 - 2012-01-28 07:01:11 UTC
2bhammered wrote:


I don't play D&D hence why I used it in that context because D&D bores me to death Blink pay attentionAttentionAttentionAttention

(wizards of the coast is alright though.)


You said D&D and Wet Dreams are more fun than EvE.

I find that my Wet Dreams are pretty enjoyable and, assuming that you felt the same about said Wet Dreams, drew the conclusion that you also found D&D enjoyable.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#58 - 2012-01-28 07:02:41 UTC
Umega wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
I have done command, leading squads in pvp and fleets,usually roaming ones and sometimes, cringes*, bubble camps. I have also run a corp years ago. Meta games to me are boring and too time consuming, I miss the days when I would log on with my ****** SP noob char and attack and ransom people in my rifter, merlin or tank gate guns and scare the **** out of surprised people in lowsec with a shield extended caracal. But now I find ship, mechanics, graphics and fighting scenarios, damn, everything to just be very very boring. I spend more time on EFT or something than ingame and even if I spent more time ingame it would just be a waste of chasing ghosts or hiding/docked.

Maybe it is just boring because it gets old after years of few things to play with in the sandbox, maybe too many people with too much SP and ISK, maybe we need arena style or battleground pvp? or an eve 2.0 or deletion of capitals and complete change to highsec, lowsec and sovereignity, not sure. But for now, boooring, most people I know feel the same way, especially veterans. Maybe change, scrap the skill system or make the cap a lot smaller.

Again, more thoughts are welcome!

To be honest, I feel there is a lack in game design by CCP in regards to PVP over the years, I think they have done a bad job. Not being mean, it is my honest heartfelt opinion about a company I do hold in a VERY high esteem.


While part of me seriously thinks you have alternate motives here.. and are fishing for something to poke and prod, drudge up and then unveil as some eye awakening moment for everyone else..

I'll take it at face value and point to this post of yours. Quite simply.. Take a break from the game.

This game is not the game you are looking for. Asking for Instances (yes you are).. quite honestly.. makes me want to kick you, hard.. in the face.

There is the side of you wanting the noob way of life.. then the side that seems to want more now faster, which contradictes what it is to be a fresh noob.

The only thing stopping you from ransoming ppl in a frig and flying a caracal is yourself.. find a different lowsec area to pirate if the one you're working doesn't produce. Check map.. look at bottlenecks, find ones that are lower in 'ships lost per 24/hour' than other bottlenecks. Why? Because most ppl looking for fights are going where kills are.. the ones not lff are going to take the safer route, and thus.. you have more targets to exploit than competition.



Calm down, I love CCP, I love EVE Online for what it is does, I took a break, almost 5 years, it is more boring today than back then. I asked for instancing? If you refer to my idea about having an arena style of CCP alliance tournament in the game then yes I did ask for that. But you don't need instancing in order to implement that, just for the record.

Also kicking me in the face would be a bad idea, I suggest working on your temper before you have a seizure and you will if you re-act like that to every internet opinion you do not agree with.

I am not a fresh noob, sorry to spoil it for you. As for finding a pirate area lol pirating today is enough plate/shield and alpha and sit at a gate in lowsec and hope for luck and if enemy is too strong I just leave before you get to me, again, zzzzzzz

Only ones getting fights that you try to convince me exist anymore are those who are the real noobs in this game catching other noobs and having a noobish fight waiting for more hours than any other form of entertainment would take and be less rewarding than reading ECO by Umberto...
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#59 - 2012-01-28 07:05:50 UTC
met worst wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Because according to eve-kill, you don't do it much?


Ok? any thoughts as to why? this thread needs to contain more "thought"!!

Best o' luck, you are getting intellectually trolled by KrakizBad, the epitomy of "thought provoking commentary".

If flight sims is ya thing, Eve ain't gonna be ya thing. If working for the best evasion, invasion, persuasion (anything with "sion" really) techniques is your preference then you'd fit right in.

Become an FC, any moron can do it. I know plenty.

Post with your main.

Also, Big smile.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#60 - 2012-01-28 07:07:18 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
2bhammered wrote:


I don't play D&D hence why I used it in that context because D&D bores me to death Blink pay attentionAttentionAttentionAttention

(wizards of the coast is alright though.)


You said D&D and Wet Dreams are more fun than EvE.

I find that my Wet Dreams are pretty enjoyable and, assuming that you felt the same about said Wet Dreams, drew the conclusion that you also found D&D enjoyable.



Sorry I was not clear enough, I do not have wetdreams since I have sex and I find D&D with pen and paper to be extremly boring but still both activites is and would be more fun than a night of playing EvE Online. I do forgive you thoughBig smile On a positive note, at least when I am not the FC I can just do other things like cleaning my house and IF a fight happens I will hear it thanks to mumble or TS. Problem now is I figured out is even better ifI just don't turn on EVE at all and just play something else or watch movies etc.