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I am Krissada

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Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-01-27 17:37:33 UTC
Nerf-by-players is a lovely concept actually.

Question though now is - what next? (Not from the CCP we'll see that in a while, but from players themselves)
Mr Morita
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#62 - 2012-01-27 17:41:26 UTC
tl;dr:

butthurt.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-01-27 18:43:09 UTC
every time you think that people will try to be less bitter about a video game, but every time that dont fly
Endeavour Starfleet
#64 - 2012-01-27 20:20:02 UTC
Darius III wrote:
Endevor Starfleet wrote:
Just a heads up. It is Endevor not Endevor.

a former incursion leader let himself get played by nullsec overlords.


Your ignorance knows no bounds. Not only are you wrong, you incorrect also.

The Amazing Ammzi came to US, not the other way around, and virtually no one who helped lives in nullsec. KEEP POSTING!


Go on. Keep pretending that.
Endeavour Starfleet
#65 - 2012-01-27 20:23:28 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Roxwar wrote:

So you spend a year building up trust and respect from thousands of players, players who turn to you for advice ect, then when YOU get bored of incursions, you ruin it for the thousands who's respect you gained over the previous 12months just because YOU'd had enough?



I haven't betrayed them, at all times I worked for the incursion community. Giving them a voice on the forums and a skirt to pull at CCP.
I still do incursions, as a matter of fact I FC'ed a vanguard fleet today from BTL.
I never worked "12 months" to get up in the chains and betray anyone, that was not the goal and will never be (betrayal that is).
At the end of the day if WE made CCP realize how important incursions are both as a feature for itself and how it is affecting people in EVE regardless of system sec status then we've all accomplished something great.


Learning the ropes so you can start mass interdiction fleets = Betrayal

Learning the ropes so you can support and encourage fake logi fleets to deprive BTL of funds = Betrayal
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#66 - 2012-01-27 20:32:49 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Ammzi wrote:
Roxwar wrote:

So you spend a year building up trust and respect from thousands of players, players who turn to you for advice ect, then when YOU get bored of incursions, you ruin it for the thousands who's respect you gained over the previous 12months just because YOU'd had enough?



I haven't betrayed them, at all times I worked for the incursion community. Giving them a voice on the forums and a skirt to pull at CCP.
I still do incursions, as a matter of fact I FC'ed a vanguard fleet today from BTL.
I never worked "12 months" to get up in the chains and betray anyone, that was not the goal and will never be (betrayal that is).
At the end of the day if WE made CCP realize how important incursions are both as a feature for itself and how it is affecting people in EVE regardless of system sec status then we've all accomplished something great.


Learning the ropes so you can start mass interdiction fleets = Betrayal

Learning the ropes so you can support and encourage fake logi fleets to deprive BTL of funds = Betrayal


What exactly has he betrayed?? If he hadnt done it someone else would have done, and probably in a much more damaging manner.

People still form and run incursion fleets the same as they always have except now CCP is taking a look at rebalancing incursions so they meet what they were origionally planned to be. If anything I'd say hes doing incursion runners a favour by bringing issues that are well known to CCPs attention in a brutally effective manner, the side effect of forcing the rank and file to take a good hard look at who they trust to 'lead' them is just icing on the cake.

Also since you bring up a year of building trust and respect what exactly have you ever done for the eve community Endeavour? As far as I can tell the only thing youve ever contributed to anything is tinfoil theories and hot air.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

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Serge SC
The Valhalla Project
#67 - 2012-01-27 20:48:47 UTC
I had a very clever contribution to make to this thread, but then I logged in and forgot about it...I'll just say hello then o/

If I remember it, then I'll edit the post...

Serge SC Le Frenchman Friendly FC
Paranon
Independant Explorations
#68 - 2012-01-27 21:08:48 UTC
Great work mate.


Had me confused for a while!

I kinda thought people would see this thread and figure it out. Ah well.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=335320#post335320




Whats next? Bring down Faction Warfare? Break up the null sec alliances?


Gimme a shout if you need a hand with anything.

Para xxx
Poloturion
Genco Pura Olive Oil Company.
#69 - 2012-01-27 21:53:02 UTC
Endeavuor Starfleet wrote:
Darius III wrote:
Endevor Starfleet wrote:
Just a heads up. It is Endevor not Endevor.

a former incursion leader let himself get played by nullsec overlords.


Your ignorance knows no bounds. Not only are you wrong, you incorrect also.

The Amazing Ammzi came to US, not the other way around, and virtually no one who helped lives in nullsec. KEEP POSTING!


Go on. Keep pretending that.


Are you still mad Endevor?

Also, please fix POS.
Endeavour Starfleet
#70 - 2012-01-28 02:26:04 UTC
Serge SC wrote:
I had a very clever contribution to make to this thread, but then I logged in and forgot about it...I'll just say hello then o/

If I remember it, then I'll edit the post...


I had a very clever response to this. Then I took an arrow in the knee...
Jubis Moonjuice
For Experimental Purposes Only
#71 - 2012-01-28 05:43:05 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Ammzi wrote:
Roxwar wrote:

So you spend a year building up trust and respect from thousands of players, players who turn to you for advice ect, then when YOU get bored of incursions, you ruin it for the thousands who's respect you gained over the previous 12months just because YOU'd had enough?



I haven't betrayed them, at all times I worked for the incursion community. Giving them a voice on the forums and a skirt to pull at CCP.
I still do incursions, as a matter of fact I FC'ed a vanguard fleet today from BTL.
I never worked "12 months" to get up in the chains and betray anyone, that was not the goal and will never be (betrayal that is).
At the end of the day if WE made CCP realize how important incursions are both as a feature for itself and how it is affecting people in EVE regardless of system sec status then we've all accomplished something great.


Learning the ropes so you can start mass interdiction fleets = Betrayal

Learning the ropes so you can support and encourage fake logi fleets to deprive BTL of funds = Betrayal


It seems evident that Roxwar is most likely a Vanguard **** and any future changes possibly including nerfing Vanguards will affect his income. It's also apparent he hasn't read the CSM minutes or the original post by Ammzi thoroughly enough, hence the random assumptions made in his post.

Endeavour, I see that you're in BTL now but for how long I do not know. It is definitely clear that you have not been there long enough to realise that Ammzi was one of the FOUNDERS / LEADERS of BTL, not someone who "learned the ropes" . He made the damn ropes, get it right.


People really need to construct their arguments more effectively. Don't post random **** without reading the OP's post whilst not in a fit of rage/under the influence of drugs and alcohol, and if there are references made to other relevant materials (in this case, the recently published CSM notes) then please make the effort to read those too, to better familiarize yourself with the content being discussed.

TL;DR 90% of this thread is useless insignificant flame and really bad modifications of "I am spartacus".
Jubis Moonjuice
For Experimental Purposes Only
#72 - 2012-01-28 05:49:18 UTC
Also, +1 Ammzi. I don't agree with everything you did and I had my suspicions but the goals were certainly worth the efforts.

I happen to be one of that small minority of pilots that can actually find something else to do (no wai!) when an incursion is too far away or there are none to farm. I used to farm vanguards too but got somewhat bored of them. I moved on to AS/HQ fleets and as a former FC agree with most of the content in the CSM notes regarding increasing the reward for those sites, especially when taking into account the effort to construct and maintain such a fleet for several hours.
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-01-28 06:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Roosterton
This is truly EVE at its finest.

You saw an imbalance in the game. Rather than whining to father CCP about it, you made unofficial deals with those who had similar objectives to you and sought to fix the imbalance yourself. You committed acts of what people consider betrayal, treachery, "griefing," and whatever was deemed necessary, even against your friends, because you believed that it was for the good of the game, and now you've started a movement which may forever change the mechanic.

Everyone who's crying and whining at him now; face it, you've been outplayed. If you want to change things back to how they were, you always have the opportunity to fight back. For me, this is the line which really separates the "carebears" from the non-carebears in EVE; if you're willing to fight for what you have, or for what you believe in, you "get" eve. If you don't, and instead whine on the forums - like many of you - you're doinitwrong. Be ashamed, carebears.

Regardless of your opinions and motives, Ammzi, my hat goes off to you for accomplishing this.
Blade M Howser
0........0
#74 - 2012-01-28 18:05:10 UTC
seperating you from your alt is impossible because 1 without the other this would have never happened.
wgy didnt you say i got GREEDY SAW A OPPORTUNITY im sure both your toons benefited the same because in the end it was still the same person using the key board.
i think you and your alt should be banned from incursions !!
IDIOT
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#75 - 2012-01-28 18:09:22 UTC
Blade M Howser wrote:
seperating you from your alt is impossible because 1 without the other this would have never happened.
wgy didnt you say i got GREEDY SAW A OPPORTUNITY im sure both your toons benefited the same because in the end it was still the same person using the key board.
i think you and your alt should be banned from incursions !!
IDIOT


I didn't earn isk on this.
Rhapsodae
Bedlam Escapees
Apocalypse Now.
#76 - 2012-01-28 18:11:53 UTC
Jubis Moonjuice wrote:
+1 Ammzi. I don't agree with everything you did .....


It did made me see things into perspective, knowing that the running can be good but can be done for in a blink of an eye.

Ammzi rumbled the incursion-runners world and made it so that alot of my friends ended up doing something else or even quitting eve w some of their accounts. Me personally had to pay for my accounts rather than plexing, which is but a first world problem.

You did get a discussion started, but I am not sure if you reached CCP more than that you did harm to your fellow pilots and their views of eve and incursions.

o/
Heo Hyungie
Chimaerazz
#77 - 2012-01-28 18:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Heo Hyungie
I didn't earn any iskies from this ..i didn't earn anything from this ..honest !
I'm pure n innocent !
I didn't do anything !
I'm nub nub /cry.
i didn't sell ships too !
I'm the most honest guy >.< /grins
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#78 - 2012-01-28 18:19:31 UTC
This is a bunch of over blown garbage.

So incursions were down for a weekend.

Oh no, it's the end of all things fun.

This just goes to show that even with a ton of people working together to do something grand it's little more then a blip on the radar of eve. A bunch of pilots cried at once as often happens and has happend on much larger scales. Yay?

If you had shut down high sec incursions for a month it would be something. A weekend = so what.

On the up side it's still funny Big smile
Zack Evans
Pyromaniacs Anonymous
#79 - 2012-01-28 18:19:59 UTC
Just for the record, I'm the real Krissada.
Blade M Howser
0........0
#80 - 2012-01-28 18:32:59 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Blade M Howser wrote:
seperating you from your alt is impossible because 1 without the other this would have never happened.
wgy didnt you say i got GREEDY SAW A OPPORTUNITY im sure both your toons benefited the same because in the end it was still the same person using the key board.
i think you and your alt should be banned from incursions !!
IDIOT


I didn't earn isk on this.


you might not have made isk but your alt that you were in control of did if not then there would not be an investigation of the ship replacement fund ....will your alt be paying every one that lost millions because of your actions