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Why is PVP boring?
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Tore Vest
#21 - 2012-01-28 04:39:31 UTC
Politics..... nerfs.... whining...
makes PVP booring

No troll.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#22 - 2012-01-28 04:43:01 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Here's how most PVP is done in EVE:

You fit a ship you are fine with losing.

Join your fleet (AKA. Blob).

Warp to battle.

Look at screen and know how the battle will play out before it even starts.

Shooting rocks is more exciting, TBH.

Mr Epeen Cool



I feel a shamed for saying this, but I had more fun in PVP Arena in WoW during WOTLK than in EvE, I have more fun in SC2 fighting a korean, I have more fun fighting in a trade over a rare hat in TF2 than to PVP in EvE, what went wrong? I am not joking nor trolling I am seriously asking this. I took a break from eve years ago due to real life obligations, I use to love it, now being back it is like, the mostboring PVP I have played, almost ever. I just don't get it, what happened in the last years? any thoughts? I really wanna get to the bottom of this. Is it me? CCP? time has passed+/-competition? what?
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#23 - 2012-01-28 04:46:47 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
Politics..... nerfs.... whining...
makes PVP booring



Hmm, politics, when I left ascn=my **** was gone, bob=gone goons brought fun and reshaped stuff but like george lucas became the boring system themselves that they set out to change, nerfs, well all fleet doctrines in EVE are now exactly the same in every single alliance, maybe you are on to something.


Good thoughts you got there, please elaborate on them, I sense something is here.
Skorpynekomimi
#24 - 2012-01-28 04:48:11 UTC
Because it's over in seconds. Warp to gate, kaboom. Sitting there in a pod, surrounded by the dust that was my shuttle.

Economic PVP
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#25 - 2012-01-28 04:49:16 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Because it's over in seconds. Warp to gate, kaboom. Sitting there in a pod, surrounded by the dust that was my shuttle.

Lol

Please, be serious! also that shuttle kill was my highpoint that nightSad
Tore Vest
#26 - 2012-01-28 04:54:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tore Vest
2bhammered wrote:
Tore Vest wrote:
Politics..... nerfs.... whining...
makes PVP booring



Hmm, politics, when I left ascn=my **** was gone, bob=gone goons brought fun and reshaped stuff but like george lucas became the boring system themselves that they set out to change, nerfs, well all fleet doctrines in EVE are now exactly the same in every single alliance, maybe you are on to something.


Good thoughts you got there, please elaborate on them, I sense something is here.


Its as simle as this....
When ppl start trolling(whining) to CCP... to do tupid nerfs in order of getting the upper hand in PVP.....
Then PVP gets stupid... booring

Edit: When ppl uses their CSM position to do this.... there we have politics

No troll.
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-01-28 05:04:14 UTC
EVE PvP is a waiting game for most folks. Sit at a gate and wait. Roam around and wait. Sit by a station and wait. Roam some more and wait.

When you do finally find PvP after an hour of this- it's either a blob and you get demolished, or you are the blob and the fight lasts 2 seconds anyway.

Rarely, every so rarely, you get blob on blob and that's entertaining for 15 minutes. Then you go back to waiting.

Honestly, if you find waiting boring, you really are playing the wrong game. I don't mean that in a negative way to you- it's just how the game is. There are people who eat it up. Me? I keep a movie going on my second monitor whenever I go out. Usually end up having 2 or 3 fights before the movie is over, too.

Proof that capital ships are rare in EVE: http://imgur.com/gallery/jJJE1
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-01-28 05:06:10 UTC
Remove local. Embrace the unknown.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#29 - 2012-01-28 05:10:34 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Remove local. Embrace the unknown.



I wish
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#30 - 2012-01-28 05:13:14 UTC
ILikeMarkets wrote:
EVE PvP is a waiting game for most folks. Sit at a gate and wait. Roam around and wait. Sit by a station and wait. Roam some more and wait.

When you do finally find PvP after an hour of this- it's either a blob and you get demolished, or you are the blob and the fight lasts 2 seconds anyway.

Rarely, every so rarely, you get blob on blob and that's entertaining for 15 minutes. Then you go back to waiting.

Honestly, if you find waiting boring, you really are playing the wrong game. I don't mean that in a negative way to you- it's just how the game is. There are people who eat it up. Me? I keep a movie going on my second monitor whenever I go out. Usually end up having 2 or 3 fights before the movie is over, too.



I think you are correct in everything you said, even your reccomendation, but I have to ask, why 5 years ago did I get 20 fights during that movie and today I can watch the trilogy of lord of the rings, extended edition, without even 1 fight? And yes, perhaps the waiting leads to more expectation and less reward for time spent, thus, the fight itself is alot less fun than 20 of similar fights in 1hour.

Thanks for your thoughts, and yes this game has way too much waiting, even when waiting you wait and waiting has become worse it seems. I use to PVP with 500k+ SP back in the day and get a fight.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#31 - 2012-01-28 05:14:40 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Remove local. Embrace the unknown.



I wish


Both of you go to WH space. Enjoy. Seriously. You have the mechanic you want already available in game.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
XY Zed
#32 - 2012-01-28 05:17:45 UTC
Ive suggested warp beacons be active when warp scramblers are used in low sec, but I got flammed to hell because the pvpers dont want to pvp unexpectedly
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#33 - 2012-01-28 05:18:52 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Remove local. Embrace the unknown.



I wish


Both of you go to WH space. Enjoy. Seriously. You have the mechanic you want already available in game.



WH's sucks, if I want to wait/look even more I might as well play chess against Earle, to be fair though, Leo is more fun than eve pvp, my opinion anyway.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#34 - 2012-01-28 05:21:49 UTC
XY Zed wrote:
Ive suggested warp beacons be active when warp scramblers are used in low sec, but I got flammed to hell because the pvpers dont want to pvp unexpectedly



Hint; most pvp:ers are bigger carebears than carebears. I once lost all +5implants at a gatecamp knowing I would die because I waited for PVP for 8+ hours on a weekend and wasso bored I rather try and PVP and lose those implants than slit my wrists at boredom, the thanks I got was a pissed off alliance leader trying to show good results in ISK win/lose in "the great" war... most alliances forgot that eve online is a game so to be fair I cannot judge them.
yer mammy
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-01-28 05:22:34 UTC
eve has always been more of a thinkers game. most of the thrill is in the hunt and it will never be a game for instant thrills or gratification.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#36 - 2012-01-28 05:23:35 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Remove local. Embrace the unknown.



I wish


Both of you go to WH space. Enjoy. Seriously. You have the mechanic you want already available in game.



WH's sucks, if I want to wait/look even more I might as well play chess against Earle, to be fair though, Leo is more fun than eve pvp, my opinion anyway.


Wait, you want the reason finding fights in WH space is hard brought to Null because.....?????

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#37 - 2012-01-28 05:25:35 UTC  |  Edited by: 2bhammered
RubyPorto wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Remove local. Embrace the unknown.



I wish


Both of you go to WH space. Enjoy. Seriously. You have the mechanic you want already available in game.



WH's sucks, if I want to wait/look even more I might as well play chess against Earle, to be fair though, Leo is more fun than eve pvp, my opinion anyway.


Wait, you want the reason finding fights in WH space is hard brought to Null because.....?????



Because maybe having no local is why people are even more chicken than normal, thus you have to force them to accept no local in any place, force them to stop running of to "safe spots" and only fight when they dictate circumstances because they are so afraid of losing their epeen is hurting PVP and whatever fun it use to be/is.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#38 - 2012-01-28 05:26:57 UTC
yer mammy wrote:
eve has always been more of a thinkers game. most of the thrill is in the hunt and it will never be a game for instant thrills or gratification.



I know and it is good/great, but the thinking game has gone to the extreme, or do you disagree? I seem to remember more "instant thrills and gratification" yet offering much thinking and strategy 5 years ago unless I am suffering nostalgia maybe.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#39 - 2012-01-28 05:35:14 UTC
2bhammered wrote:

Because maybe having no local is why people are even more chicken than normal, thus you have to force them to accept no local in any place, force them to stop running of to "safe spots" and only fight when they dictate circumstances because they are so afraid of losing their epeen is hurting PVP and whatever fun it use to be/is.


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Yeah, no. If you can't catch people without local, and can't catch them with Local, maybe the presence or absence of local isn't the source of your difficulties.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
XY Zed
#40 - 2012-01-28 05:39:38 UTC
Eve pvp is like chess, but you dont start off with perfect information, its like being blindfolded and requiring someone to keep track of every piece the other guy has. Anyways point is you are 'suppose' to have intel networks in low sec at choke points or where ever, so you can record names and their ships - apparently many people are crazy enough to be completely okay with this, and what i think keeps away a lot of potential small pvp- ask your corp or alliance if they have intel channels.