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MEGAUPLOAD CLOSED BY THE MAN!!! err the FBI! ...
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#61 - 2012-01-24 22:31:45 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Tell that to HMV.


They are not in the movie business.


They just sell them...
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#62 - 2012-01-25 00:18:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Tell that to HMV.


They are not in the movie business.


They just sell them...


I know.

My post was about the people who make the movies, not the retailers - and I'd like a citation by HMV clearly stating that the reason they have troubles is due to piracy of films and that alone, before I could incorporate your argument into my post.

Not baiting, just want to be clear on your point.

This space for rent.
Selinate
#63 - 2012-01-25 16:53:01 UTC
Azelor Delaria wrote:
Selinate wrote:
I don't care much if pirating is gotten rid of or not. The push for SOPA came mostly from hollywood and musical artists, right?

Hollywood still makes a buttfucking massive profit on a lot of movies, and TBH I personally don't know any Americans that frequently rips off movies.

Chinese? Yes. Korean? Yes. However, both countries are a bit out of U.S. jurisdiction. As for musical artists, they've been ripping everyone else off for YEARS as far as CD's go, and now they're mad because people rip off their music still? Even after they attacked kids in lawsuits, suing them for egregious amounts of money? For christ's sake, the music industry deserves it....

As far as software goes, I think pirating of this does go a bit overboard. However, **** me if I buy a new version of some FORTRAN compiler for 800$ for a windows machine, or a new version of Maple for an amount that's way too high.

My 2 cents.


Oh, I know of quite a few people who used Megaupload for illegal purposes. In fact, my best friend jus tsent me the following:

Quote:
Megaupload was my main source of watching things illegally. That site was 200 pirates on a ship with a 100 pirate capacity.


Look, the concept of free-market is that nothing is free. You pay in one way or another. When you decide that you are entitled to something, then you start to hurt yourself. That is the problem with much of this generation.

For example, the Occupy Wall Street crowd chanted that they should be given all this stuff for free (free health care, free education, etc.). However, nowhere in their manifesto was there an offer to give something back to the community. There was no quid pro quo and that has been the main source of contention between OWS and many other individuals who don't agree with them. They do not represent the "99%". Many of us come up with solutions and ways to better society, all the while offering what we will do in exchange.

Megaupload was a massively illegal enterprise. While you're pissed that it was shut down, I'm surprised that it stayed up for as long as it did.

You are not entitled to anything. There is give and take in everything, and this is no different.


What is this I don't even... Did you even attempt to reply to what I said or just threw down a bunch of crap, and then assume that I thought I was entitled to anything.

And if you really think there is give and take in everything, then why the **** do you play Eve? How have you not failed miserably at life yet while trying to still think this philosophy applies all the time? Seriously, grow up.
Adunh Slavy
#64 - 2012-01-26 23:44:24 UTC
What do we have here - more laws, less freedom, to ensure that an already profitable business model gets even more profits and we get to pay for it.

Anti-piracy isn't going to help the wallets of the copyright holders. Most of the accounting they do is based on the assumption that, if someone doesn't "steal" it, they'll pay for it. This is BS. If they, the "thief", can't get it for free, they simply will not watch/listen at all or find an alternate means.

Perhaps they, the Hollywood sorts, should stop releasing their products in a digital form, then they can be assured that all "views" will be legitimate. But they won't do that, will they? Nope, because then they cut their profits. We can see that digital media releases are indeed profitable, or they wouldn't do it.

So let's be sure what we're talking about. maximizing profit. In order to ensure maximum profits, copyright legislation aims to make certain behavior illegal, enforcement paid for with your tax dollars of course.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#65 - 2012-01-27 06:35:22 UTC
Looks like someone is in trouble:

Law Suit

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2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#66 - 2012-01-28 01:59:03 UTC
I love how things like Veetl can stay alive but not a dude in NZ. I doubt this guy commited a crime and only reason he is being charged for this made up BS criminal offense (yeah right) with a penalty worse than the guy in Norway received for killing almost a 100 people and attacking the goverment with fracking bombs lol is because the corporate america is, you guessed it, controlled by corporations and you no longer live in a democracy (almost.)
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-01-28 04:56:34 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
I love how things like Veetl can stay alive but not a dude in NZ. I doubt this guy commited a crime and only reason he is being charged for this made up BS criminal offense (yeah right) with a penalty worse than the guy in Norway received for killing almost a 100 people and attacking the goverment with fracking bombs lol is because the corporate america is, you guessed it, controlled by corporations and you no longer live in a democracy (almost.)


made up BS criminal offense?

They had a standing policy giving out money to people if they would generate downloads by hosting copyrighted works and get people to download them by posting the links all over the internet. Then they took in advertiser money and subscription money from users. I don't have a law degree so I won't trap myself with specific terms for others to pick apart, but if you think that's legal or should be, you're miles away from reasonable.

Anyone who googled 'watch movies free' or 'watch movies online' or anything like that in the last few years could easily find dozens of sites devoted to nothing but indexing links to movies and TV shows on Megaupload and other storage sites.

Speaking of Google... Google has refused the site ads because THEY as an independent 'corporation' identified them as a massive source of copyright infringement back in '07.

I'm not even a person who takes sides on this. I feel like both sides of the issue are completely unreasonable and the whole issue just makes me facepalm and feel bad for our legislators, but this particular case is cut and dry.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#68 - 2012-01-28 05:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: 2bhammered
VKhaun Vex wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
I love how things like Veetl can stay alive but not a dude in NZ. I doubt this guy commited a crime and only reason he is being charged for this made up BS criminal offense (yeah right) with a penalty worse than the guy in Norway received for killing almost a 100 people and attacking the goverment with fracking bombs lol is because the corporate america is, you guessed it, controlled by corporations and you no longer live in a democracy (almost.)


made up BS criminal offense?

They had a standing policy giving out money to people if they would generate downloads by hosting copyrighted works and get people to download them by posting the links all over the internet. Then they took in advertiser money and subscription money from users. I don't have a law degree so I won't trap myself with specific terms for others to pick apart, but if you think that's legal or should be, you're miles away from reasonable.

Anyone who googled 'watch movies free' or 'watch movies online' or anything like that in the last few years could easily find dozens of sites devoted to nothing but indexing links to movies and TV shows on Megaupload and other storage sites.

Speaking of Google... Google has refused the site ads because THEY as an independent 'corporation' identified them as a massive source of copyright infringement back in '07.

I'm not even a person who takes sides on this. I feel like both sides of the issue are completely unreasonable and the whole issue just makes me facepalm and feel bad for our legislators, but this particular case is cut and dry.



Boohoo, should be maximum 6 months in jail if he fails at paying the fine of advertised income received on those specific videos that did contain ads, so 1million dollars? 2? But I do not even agree on that, because he DID NOT break any real laws, he supposedly broke some law upheld by US alone but thanks to WTO whatever lol he can be charged for a crime that is only a crime in the USA and only in regards to internet and, manwake up!!


500 million USD for made up "lost" profit, in ANY other crime there has to be a victim and a proven loss in order to convict. With your system in place you can convict anyone for made up losses at anytime without legal presentation or even have to hold the trial in a courtroom open to the public or even public record. Sorry but I live in europe and I promise you, we got A LOT more democracy and freedom and protection from the state then americans do. You guys are becoming more like China by the hour.


People are hating on this guy and making up more **** about the dude and media is killing his image all over the world for, making profit of ads by videos users uploaded with copyrighted info EVEN though he did remove such content compared to other sites because it is "wrong to watch a movie for free and it is the same as stealing!" argument, which again, has NOTHING to do with the guy and he get charged and punished because the "victim" in actuality a loby group representing the studios and entertainment industry in another country, USA, "claims", says they lost 500 million USD...

WOW!

And what was the punishment? worse than ****, murder and drug related offense in most of the western world=he is worse than a rapist serial killing drug lord...


EDIT; Just to give some perspective and how bad this is, everything you know by this case is told to you by the media groups who employ the lobby group that got this guy to be prosecuted and closed down, essentially, this guy have a fat chance at a fair trial... Infact, he is already convicted and based on what your "trusted" media told us.

Goodbye democracy and freedom, liberty and protection from the state, kiss it, it is gone!
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-01-28 05:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
2bhammered wrote:

Boohoo, should be maximum 6 months in jail if he fails at paying the fine of advertised income received on those specific videos that did contain ads, so 1million dollars? 2? But I do not even agree on that, because he DID NOT break any real laws, he supposedly broke some law upheld by US alone but thanks to WTO whatever lol he can be charged for a crime that is only a crime in the USA and only in regards to internet and, manwake up!!
Willful ignorance. Taking their digital media and distributing it for his own profit without their consent is most certainly a criminal act and most certainly should be one.

Maybe one day you'll be smart enough or creative enough to make something that you'll want your rights to protected.

2bhammered wrote:
500 million USD for made up "lost" profit, in ANY other crime there has to be a victim and a proven loss in order to convict. With your system in place you can convict anyone for made up losses at anytime without legal presentation or even have to hold the trial in a courtroom open to the public or even public record.
I agree 100% the lost profit is number is completely bogus, but the victim is real and clear. If there was no profit to steal, he would not have made any money in the first place, and these 'corporations' would not care in the first place.

2bhammered wrote:
And what was the punishment? worse than ****, murder and drug related offense in most of the western world=he is worse than a rapist serial killing drug lord...
'Was'? He has not been tried or sentenced, and in the U.S. your sentence is never final. They always get let out early, in many cases VERY early, proportional to the crime and the person. I'm not going to spell all of that out for you. It's easy to look into if you really care about this point.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2012-01-28 05:52:13 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
EDIT; Just to give some perspective and how bad this is, everything you know by this case is told to you by the media groups who employ the lobby group that got this guy to be prosecuted and closed down, essentially, this guy have a fat chance at a fair trial... Infact, he is already convicted and based on what your "trusted" media told us.


True, but I don't know why you put trusted in quotations. I don't trust the media for a second and this case doesn't need anyone to do so. Like I said (and you quoted) anyone who googled to watch copyrighted works online for free found dozens of sites dedicated to doing nothing but indexing megaupload and other storage site links.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch