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Vytoryn
Final Dimension
#61 - 2012-01-27 03:17:26 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Vytoryn wrote:
thats the whole point better (yield and cargo)


1) Why do you want better yield and cargo?

2) CCP has said for quite a long time that the Hulk is the highest yield mining ship in the game and always will be.



if you dont like my form get out and go troll somewhere else
Vytoryn
Final Dimension
#62 - 2012-01-27 03:18:37 UTC
Anderron Shi wrote:
Wow, is this thread really still on the front page of General Discussion?


thank you for the support
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#63 - 2012-01-27 03:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Vytoryn wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Vytoryn wrote:
thats the whole point better (yield and cargo)


1) Why do you want better yield and cargo?

2) CCP has said for quite a long time that the Hulk is the highest yield mining ship in the game and always will be.



if you dont like my form get out and go troll somewhere else


Not your forum, and my question still stands.

There are 2 reasons I can think of that you'd want higher yield, and the reasoning behind one of them is flawed.

1) You want to make more ISK for your mining hour.

2) You enjoy hauling minerals in freighters, and want to haul more.

The problem with 1) is that the price of low end minerals is a function of what Hisec miners consider to be adequate compensation for their mining time (otherwise they'd do something else, or just not mine), so increasing the maximal yield would simply depress mineral prices further, and mining income would remain roughly the same (I wouldn't mind the cheaper ships though). High ends have a different problem; Drone regions produce significantly more high end minerals per hour than mining does, so increasing yield might increase profit, but there are still better ways to directly acquire minerals.

There's nothing anyone can do to help hisec miners, as I can't really see any market distortion there, but miners of high ends can be helped by stopping the influx of drone poop.

Now if you're reason is 2) then I suggest flying an empty freighter or picking up courier contracts.

If you have a different reason, I would honestly love to be enlightened.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#64 - 2012-01-27 03:57:55 UTC
I rather have better miners than a better mining ship. Give the hulk and other indies HP boost and should be all fine from there.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#65 - 2012-01-27 06:05:21 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I rather have better miners than a better mining ship. Give the hulk and other indies HP boost and should be all fine from there.


Compared to standard HS fits, there's already plenty of HP boosting available. Clearly it's not important, as nobody bothers to fit for tank.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Khrage
#66 - 2012-01-27 06:09:18 UTC
Vytoryn wrote:
Anderron Shi wrote:
Wow, is this thread really still on the front page of General Discussion?


thank you for the support


it's not support, it's pure trolling at an idea that simply is ridiculous.

basically what you are suggesting (which is still a much edited version of your original post) is a ship that is an orca and hulk combined into one. and taking away the ability to mine gas is a joke, since no one harvests gas with any mining ship.

your whole concept of tech 3 is off. t3 means you can change the ship to fit different roles. i was about to say that there is a chance for there to be a t3 mining ship one day, but simply, there won't. mining is all about efficency. having 1 mining ship that can do the job of a hulk, mack, skiff, and orca will not work. one, that it will do the job better so the other would not be used, or it wouldn't do it as well, making it worthless.

but you know what?

I HOPE TO GOD CCP MAKES A T3 MINING SHIP! you know why? because the extra expensive ship and sp lose tears of a carebear after a suicide gank in one would be the best thing ever! i would start suicide ganking the instant it showed up in new eden.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#67 - 2012-01-27 18:56:38 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
I rather have better miners than a better mining ship. Give the hulk and other indies HP boost and should be all fine from there.


Compared to standard HS fits, there's already plenty of HP boosting available. Clearly it's not important, as nobody bothers to fit for tank.


Saw a dual tanked out as possible with his skill hulk the other day still get vollied to death before concord arrived but meh 0.5 gives the gankers that much more time to kil the tank.

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Marcus Harikari
#68 - 2012-01-27 19:31:39 UTC
Tepir wrote:
where are the subsystems ?



i got an idea :

Offensive Mining subsystems : 100 % to mining yield amount per lvl , 96 to 99 decrease in cpu demand for covert ops cloaking device and ability to mine while cloaked .

Defensive mining subsystems: Gives imunity to any form of NPC damage and +2 to warp core strenght per level

engineering mining subsystem : 5 % to capacitor capacity per level and enhanced Auto Pilot version (should allow your ship to mine
on its own and dock to station, unload cargo and return and mine all over again)

Navinagation subsystems: Ability to detect hostiles in local and warp away on first sight of trouble . Also 20% of ship agility per level.

electronic subsystems:decrease maximum naumber of people who can target you at same time . at lvl 0 unlimited number of people
can lock you, at lvl 5 only one guy can lock you (good thing against suicide ganks!)

i believe this is the finest post i've ever seen on these here forums, great job, kudos to you, sir!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#69 - 2012-01-28 02:29:33 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
I rather have better miners than a better mining ship. Give the hulk and other indies HP boost and should be all fine from there.


Compared to standard HS fits, there's already plenty of HP boosting available. Clearly it's not important, as nobody bothers to fit for tank.


Saw a dual tanked out as possible with his skill hulk the other day still get vollied to death before concord arrived but meh 0.5 gives the gankers that much more time to kil the tank.


I've seen freighters and JFs get suicide ganked. I've seen armor titans go from half armor to dead before their self destruct could go off (2min). Defense against suicide gank in a mining ship isn't just an EHP thing, it's a "make it cost more to gank me than the guy next to me" thing (along with the obligatory don't make it cost effective to gank you).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Vytoryn
Final Dimension
#70 - 2012-02-02 06:51:41 UTC
new changes removed the 15% mining bonus and reduced the drone bay to 80m3 to 60m3
ugh zug
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-02-02 06:55:55 UTC
hulk is good enough, no need for another mining ship unless its an obelisk that opens up and eats one whole ice rock and returns to base. why do we mine rocks when we could just launch them at a station to haul in to be reprocessed? O_o

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Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#72 - 2012-02-02 06:56:04 UTC
Thanks for keeping us updated. Can't wait to hear more.

-signing my post
Das Butler
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-02-02 07:14:22 UTC
while this is just plain stupid. the industry /miner types have been screwed with ships. and im sure a new ship for them is in the works dont be surprized.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#74 - 2012-02-02 15:11:04 UTC
Vytoryn wrote:
new changes removed the 15% mining bonus and reduced the drone bay to 80m3 to 60m3


So it now has less yield than a Hulk? In that case, what sane, non-afk, miner would fly it?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#75 - 2012-02-02 15:20:48 UTC
Wait Wait. HighSec Carebears Want another ship that they can use in Mining yet when they get constantly ganked they whine and moan. like Little Babys wanting a sippy of milk. Dont think a new mining ship is gonna get you over your tears perhaps give you MOAR!Shocked
Imuran
Zentor Industries
#76 - 2012-02-02 15:38:43 UTC
mkint wrote:
Hmm... need a troll massive enough to get this thread locked, but my own posts not erased...

This thread is now about bacon made into desserts.

I hear there's a restaurant in England making bacon and egg ice cream. They make it taste eggy by tempering the custard too fast or something, then add bacon drippings to make it taste bacony.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6CLoRuvGcY
Ira Infernus
Knights-of-Cydonia
#77 - 2012-02-02 17:11:07 UTC
T3 mining ship is a great idea, although I might be more inclined toward it being a destroyer sized vessel rather than cruiser sized... Would make it inherintly faster, but also have a smaller cargohold; so is suited for mining rapidly in hostile zones.

Give it a 5000m^3 cargohold +/-

Offensive (Ore extraction) subsystems;
-Cloaking and reduction in strip miner cycle time.
-Increased quantity of turret points and reduction in cycle time to potentially fill cargo in 2/3 cycles.
-Increased drone bandwidth and number of drones controlled (up to ten), 5% drone damage/extraction bonus

Defensive subsystems;
-Sheild resistance amps, etc
-Sheild boost amount, etc
-Link processor (5% bonus)

Electronics subsystems;
Scanner/Survey range/strength bonus
Probe launcher strength/tractor beam bonus
EWAR capability (seems viable on a mining vessel for defensive purposes- bonus to jam strength/sensor damp strength?)

Engineering subsystems;
-Usual powergrid, capacitor, etc output subsystems

Propulsion subsystems;
-Warp strength bonus
-Agility bonus
-Warp speed bonus
-Interdiction nullifier


I like the idea of a t3 mining ship as it wont have your typical carebear in it; it will require some knowledge of pvp modules and would encourage mining in low/null/wormholes by the freelance miners.
If there was a t3 mining ship I definantly would look into ninja-mining some big 0.0 alliances stocks.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#78 - 2012-02-02 17:55:37 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
lol

You can;t pay me enough to buid one for you I am sorry but I do reserve the right to deny customers.

Either way busy building the new fleet thanatos.


You clearly are building Thanatos ingame. They are selling below their mineral price currently.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#79 - 2012-02-02 19:27:41 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
lol

You can;t pay me enough to buid one for you I am sorry but I do reserve the right to deny customers.

Either way busy building the new fleet thanatos.


You clearly are building Thanatos ingame. They are selling below their mineral price currently.


nope

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#80 - 2012-02-03 00:29:16 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
lol

You can;t pay me enough to buid one for you I am sorry but I do reserve the right to deny customers.

Either way busy building the new fleet thanatos.


You clearly are building Thanatos ingame. They are selling below their mineral price currently.


You don't know Nova Fox yet?

He's a lolRPer who RPs that he's a shipyard.

The pictures are pretty, the explanations range between redundant and inane, and the stats are silly, but he seems to have fun with it.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon