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How about doing actual testing on the test server?

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#1 - 2012-01-18 12:38:28 UTC
This may cause some major confusion to the people of 6-CZ48 but here it goes,
for the time being it is really just annoying that the first thing you read in the local channel is "I need fleet -x up" when you purpose of your visit might be testing da new stuff to get an impression on it.

If you do that you end up in being primaried by the nice captial fleet that need so much testing every day at any time and the 40000 macharials with officer mods that needs to be tested every day at any time while testing the stuff that is being changed just get scred in your face by the 12 year olds that bashed your ship with their allmighty machariel gang with their shiny dreads and carrier support.

Would testing not be much better if there were just tech1 and 2 ships to get on the test server so you can TEST stuff instead of getting punked?
I tend to log on to sisi and form an opinion about the things that are being tested there and really dont need all the same people in thier stupid pirate boats because they might have low self esteem issues there and they need to prove themselves that they can shoot down ONE ship in thier gangs or whatever is sitting there.

I do understand the temptation in pluging in 50 trillion isk worth of implants and showing off your uber-ftw-solo-instapoof-solo-i-kill-them-all-in-one-shoot and need to change my pants now because I rock so hard.....
But "making sisi more like TQ" doesn't really come to play with all the people in a serious need of a killmail to make it through the day.

Yeah Yeah, blabla

And why appeal to people being honest or fight with honor with what would they really fit / plugged in on the live server in da same situation?
I don't know but maybe I am foolish enough to see some good in at least some people?

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Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#2 - 2012-01-18 13:26:36 UTC
Simple solution, leave the main testing system, join another system with full market at100 isk (there's a lot) take a few testers with you, and test your days away.

But I agree, right now people are just using machariels all the time, or vindicator or whatever and they aren't really testing anything.
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#3 - 2012-01-18 23:57:48 UTC
This shows to me that the Machariel needs a rebalancing, but that's just me.
Af'ilia
Af'ilia te's
#4 - 2012-01-19 00:44:55 UTC
Oddly the hilariousness of this is true.

I was NEXT TO A BH, showing him a bug... we were both in a belt. Fleet of tempest snipe me. Your kidding me... This pvp **** is annoying.

When did the pod rule get axed?
Mercgunner
NO Tax FAT Stacks
#5 - 2012-01-19 19:59:07 UTC
Af'ilia wrote:
Oddly the hilariousness of this is true.

I was NEXT TO A BH, showing him a bug... we were both in a belt. Fleet of tempest snipe me. Your kidding me... This pvp **** is annoying.

When did the pod rule get axed?



Don't like the rules for the Combat System? Go to another system and do your testing.

The pod rule was changed over a year ago, if you're just now finding out about this rule then you either haven't played in years or some anon who never reads rules.
furious Trance
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-01-24 14:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: furious Trance
I have to totally agree with the OP.

I would suggest for everyone to be happy (yeah i know i am idealistic here, but u know what i mean)
Make the system next door to follow the old rules:
-no podding
-class specific beacons
-no combat apart from the beacons
-beacons with maximum ship size limits

That can avoid them stupid capital blobs forming in every beacon, because this is how it starts:
A cruiser gets killed by another cruiser, cruiser comes back in BS, Faction BS pops cuiser, the higher skilled cuiser pilot get annnoyed about the other pilot and comes back in dread and oneshots faction BS, now you need a fleet to kill that dread -> BLOB complete.

I used to really like the test server and to test stuff there in a rather random combat situation, but since money does not matter u keep running into cap or faction blobs everywhere since the beacons have been changed to FFA.

And since there is combat allowed in the whole system you cannot go there with a SC anymore since you will get probed allmost instantly after you are moved there and then blobed befor you can even warp to a beacon.

Anyway enought whining now, just saying there would be more ppl on the test server that do serious testing if there were some rules again, not just people who are bored, had a bad day, or are simply to young for eve, going there to bash someone's head in.

BR
Mercgunner
NO Tax FAT Stacks
#7 - 2012-01-24 18:50:37 UTC
furious Trance wrote:
I have to totally agree with the OP.

I would suggest for everyone to be happy (yeah i know i am idealistic here, but u know what i mean)
Make the system next door to follow the old rules:
-no podding
-class specific beacons
-no combat apart from the beacons
-beacons with maximum ship size limits




The reason CCP changed the rules is because they didn't want to police the server all day long. That takes time AWAY from them working on Tranquility. The less time they get to work on patches, the more buggy they will be.

Just for the new kids, SISI is not here for you to test ship fittings. It's primary function is to search for bugs in the game and fix them.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#8 - 2012-01-24 19:11:50 UTC
Thank you for pointing that out!

I know the temptation to do silly stuff on SiSi myself and nobody will stop you doing it.
Thing is if you want to test your fittings then please do it but dont interfere with others who want to assist bughunters in doing thier job or actually trying to play with new content.
I also know that I can just go to any other solar system of my liking but during work hours I like to be able to interact with the developers who are online.
If you deperatly want to try out your fittings then just do it in one of the system next to 6-cz48. They have stations too. And when you get podded and your conscious mind gets uploaded to the resurrection hub- errm you wake up in 6-c again, you dont have to travel far.

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Draconus Lofwyr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-24 19:38:08 UTC
Since the rules changes, the LAST system you want to go to to test anything is the main testing system. it has now come down to SISI just being a bone CCP throws at us before release so the min/maxers can look for possible exploits and abuses of mechanics so they can be ready on release date. They no longer seem to have the time to listen to or respond to the various change feedback threads, as they seem to have already made up their minds about how the changes will go down. Between them and the CSM's, SISI has pretty much been relegated to a way of providing static to the back end systems so they can tweak flow optimizations, and the bone they throw is more a lure just to get numbers.

Best recommendation is to find a system or systems as far from the test system and get some friends to test what you want to test. systems are seeded across the entire map, just have to find one in an npc system or claim sov if it hasn't been claimed.
McFly
Peanut Factory
#10 - 2012-01-27 16:27:14 UTC
easy solution dont go to 6-C.

every constellation has at least couple market seeds. if you're testing something, or actually bughunting you obviously dont need to warp into a blob of supercaps to do it.

NPC 0.0 regions I find are most useful for testing on sisi. That or lowsec with easy access to both empire and highsec.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#11 - 2012-01-28 01:56:32 UTC
Test server works quite well in that regard, OP. I have 4 accounts on there, I can test just about any fit I want but in terms of what I learn being usefull to EVE I need to go to test system and see how long it lasts in an Alpha blob. Answer is always the same. Not very long.
Kimberly Walsh
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-01-28 13:35:51 UTC
lol... actual testing? devs do it there, not players. You play, they work and test. You should feel the difference between those two.
xarjin
International Speciality Machines
#13 - 2012-01-28 17:06:12 UTC  |  Edited by: xarjin
some people pvp endlessly some others spend two days setting up sov logistics infrastructure across 9 systems Cool

http://i.imgur.com/gDI3e.jpg

having three accounts to use on sisi and two freighter pilots helped but crucible made it possible.

BTW a huge thank you to ccp for the pos anchoring and onlining changes!
Mnengli Noiliffe
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-01-29 05:53:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe
what I don't understand is why only machariels are seeded? you have to buy the other faction battleships from jita or contracts and you can't buy many of them obviously.

maybe that's why they are overused.

also there is a whole rest of the eve universe for you to test in, so what exxactly stops you?

I think people do test the new changes when they do happen, but when there are no new changes to test yet, do you propose turning off the test server?

as of the current game, there is a 30-50k population server to test them -- no amount of testers on sisi can match that testing power anyway.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#15 - 2012-01-29 11:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: elitatwo
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:
what I don't understand is why only machariels are seeded? you have to buy the other faction battleships from jita or contracts and you can't buy many of them obviously.

maybe that's why they are overused.

also there is a whole rest of the eve universe for you to test in, so what exxactly stops you?

I think people do test the new changes when they do happen, but when there are no new changes to test yet, do you propose turning off the test server?

as of the current game, there is a 30-50k population server to test them -- no amount of testers on sisi can match that testing power anyway.


Any available pirate faction ship can be obtained by just doing some missions for them and open the LP store - voilĂ  your pirate ship in da ship section of da store.
I am not saying that I don't want anyone around, I was stating that the majority who populate 6C are way younger then me and they behave and talk like it.
They also use everything that is available to them and blob themselves to get a feeling of superiority. I bet what they would do on the live server is different from what they do on the test server to say the least.
Everything at the right time.
There is a time for doing crazy stuff and there is a time to do other stuff.
Would you propose that we start a nuclear war all over the world because "we can"?
Why don't humans all go out and murder everyone they meet next because "they can"?
Why don't people use thier cars and play carmageddon all day long because "they can"?
Not everything of what can be done should.
For me the test server is a copy of the live server where I can study the ship I fly and in case I did not fit them properly and they go poof I can replace them quickly and try different things fast then I could on the live server.
And I use modules that I would use on the live server as soon as I know what is a good fit and what is better on any given ship I would fly.
I could use officer / deadspace stuff and utterly expensive implants to get ahead of everyone else but I find it very unrealistic to go on the live server and buy a 5 billion isk implant set and a 10 billion isk fitted ship because it would take me far too long to obtain those things and have them crumbled in 10 seconds after obtaining them and flying around with them.
What I also find unrealistic are 13 year olds who have a character from about 4 years ago and 10 trillion isk to throw around which would mean that they started playing at age 9..
The first thing you will always hear in 6C local is the typical "need fleet" request and that goes on and on and everyone needs more fleets and then they are upset because one of thier solo-uber-wtf-pwn mobiles got shot and they must take revenge in thier halo gimped dreadnoughts and bring 24 alts with them to take thier revenge on one girl.
Yeah yeah, a girl with a dream of a better world, I know..

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-02-08 12:24:51 UTC
I remember this fleet for "time dilation" test, 2xfleets for about 250/300 or something like.

You had a french stupid window liker, stupid enough to set the same button to speack in TS than Eve voice, so we heard all his hysterical 12years old laughs and faping at each bomb run he did in those test fleets.

Does CCP did something about it? -nothing, the stupid frog just came again and again and again and continuously bombing/runing station reload, re bombing and make our ears bleed with his stupid french accent and his pre pub voice (you know the one that goes like a girl and like an old man in the same second)

I just decided I'd not return in those test fleets and also that I was ashamed of being French at that moment.
Tania Delnor
Ethereal Nanotechnologies Inc
#17 - 2012-02-13 12:20:31 UTC
The best thing I had on test server was my nyx being blowed up while It was bumped out of a my pos by one of this random pubbies that only own a SC on test server but not on TQ. It was funny as well.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2012-02-16 05:24:15 UTC
If you cant figure out how to use a SC on the test server without getting blown up, you probably shouldnt have one on TQ either