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Valei Khurelem
#21 - 2012-01-27 22:12:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
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You don't have to work hard, but you'll have to settle for cheaper but still effective things to have fun in. If you want the biggest e-peen enlargement or the best equipment though, you'll going to have to work for it one way or another and that's how it should always be. If you want it all now without putting in that effort, I don't think MMOs are the right genre of games for you.


Sorry, but doing that kind of thing isn't a game at all and that's not what MMORPGs are about otherwise they aren't MMORPGs. What your basically telling me is the real life equivalent of telling someone to go inside and play around, do drawing whatever they like but in reality what you've just done is stuffed me in a warehouse with machines forcing me to build model spaceships to sell to children overseas while you take a huge percentage of the profits.

The fact is the people defending this kind of crap seem to have managed to convince themselves that doing this is actually fun which is why I don't blame people for wanting to use bots on these games at all, in fact I would say it would help the game hugely if you could legalise bots and let people develop them on their own as scripts because it would make the game much more fun.


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To be clear, you should be able to enjoy EVE to some extent without 'working hard' but absolutely there should differentiation offered to those who put in the time and effort.


No, there shouldn't, because basically you're just saying "I want fun for everyone else but me and I don't give a **** about them even though they're paying for the subscription fees and CCP servers the same as everyone else" you are honestly just plainly stupid if you actually think that in a game of all things you should be rewarded for 'working' when it is supposed to be a pass time and something fun you do.

If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#22 - 2012-01-27 22:21:59 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Quote:

You don't have to work hard, but you'll have to settle for cheaper but still effective things to have fun in. If you want the biggest e-peen enlargement or the best equipment though, you'll going to have to work for it one way or another and that's how it should always be. If you want it all now without putting in that effort, I don't think MMOs are the right genre of games for you.


Sorry, but doing that kind of thing isn't a game at all and that's not what MMORPGs are about otherwise they aren't MMORPGs. What your basically telling me is the real life equivalent of telling someone to go inside and play around, do drawing whatever they like but in reality what you've just done is stuffed me in a warehouse with machines forcing me to build model spaceships to sell to children over sees while you take a huge percentage of the profits.

The fact is the people defending this kind of crap seem to have managed to convince themselves that doing this is actually fun which is why I don't blame people for wanting to use bots on these games at all, in fact I would say it would help the game hugely if you could legalise bots and let people develop them on their own as scripts because it would make the game much more fun.


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To be clear, you should be able to enjoy EVE to some extent without 'working hard' but absolutely there should differentiation offered to those who put in the time and effort.


No, there shouldn't, because basically you're just saying "I want fun for everyone else but me and I don't give a **** about them even though they're paying for the subscription fees and CCP servers the same as everyone else" you are honestly just plainly stupid if you actually think that in a game of all things you should be rewarded for 'working' when it is supposed to be a pass time and something fun you do.

If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.


Whoa there.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with getting out of your game/hobby exactly what you put into it.

That applies to any type of competetive sport (professional football), game (professional chess or poker player), or hobby (collector of rare antiquities).

Some people will enjoy casual play, others will excel at it and advance to a highly competetive level.

There is nothing wrong with either one.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-01-27 22:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Quote:

You don't have to work hard, but you'll have to settle for cheaper but still effective things to have fun in. If you want the biggest e-peen enlargement or the best equipment though, you'll going to have to work for it one way or another and that's how it should always be. If you want it all now without putting in that effort, I don't think MMOs are the right genre of games for you.


Sorry, but doing that kind of thing isn't a game at all and that's not what MMORPGs are about otherwise they aren't MMORPGs. What your basically telling me is the real life equivalent of telling someone to go inside and play around, do drawing whatever they like but in reality what you've just done is stuffed me in a warehouse with machines forcing me to build model spaceships to sell to children overseas while you take a huge percentage of the profits.

The fact is the people defending this kind of crap seem to have managed to convince themselves that doing this is actually fun which is why I don't blame people for wanting to use bots on these games at all, in fact I would say it would help the game hugely if you could legalise bots and let people develop them on their own as scripts because it would make the game much more fun.


Quote:
To be clear, you should be able to enjoy EVE to some extent without 'working hard' but absolutely there should differentiation offered to those who put in the time and effort.


No, there shouldn't, because basically you're just saying "I want fun for everyone else but me and I don't give a **** about them even though they're paying for the subscription fees and CCP servers the same as everyone else" you are honestly just plainly stupid if you actually think that in a game of all things you should be rewarded for 'working' when it is supposed to be a pass time and something fun you do.

If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.



ok let's think of this in another way:

EVE is an ultra-capitalistic game. the more investment (effort) you put in it the bigger the pay (fun). you're not a special snowflake and CCP isn't here to hold your hand. you're given the tools and you do whatever you want to do with them. that's how sandboxes are.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#24 - 2012-01-27 22:25:03 UTC
Roll OK then you could go the other path. Spend thousands of real-life dollars on plex, buy titan character and titan. Spend untold hundreds of thousands on more plex, fund an entire alliance, and enjoy having everything. Nothing's stopping you from doing that either.

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Sorry, but doing that kind of thing isn't a game at all and that's not what MMORPGs are about otherwise they aren't MMORPGs.


That's what this one is about. Pity you don't like it, but CCP isn't going to change it and lose all their core subscribers. I hear there are other games that aren't like it though, they probably have forums as well.
Ethino
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-01-27 22:35:30 UTC
"Im sure many posters will flame u as an incursion carebare sympathiser but tbh pulling in isk enough to fund 1 or 2 characters properly especially for PVP fun takes a good deal of effort, especially if ur trying to continue the characters with isk bought PLEX.
Yes there will be people who abuse any game system set in place, its just something that happens. i think vanguards are overpriced for what they are... so some rebalancing is required... effort vs reward needs to be well managed. I would say at the moment that currently in a perfect world incursions get u more reliable isk return for your time than plexing/ratting or anoms. this may seem like an argument for an incursion nerf across the board bt you have to consider that a total incursion nerf will nerf the income of new and semi new players more than the mid term and vets, meaning a tougher time for them (and less new player growth for eve) "
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-01-27 22:41:36 UTC
Getting isk is easy if you live in high-sec and enjoy missions/ratting for hours upon hours
Getting isk is easy if you already have the skills and big ships to quickly hop in an incursion
Getting isk is easy if you have multiple accounts you can use
Getting isk is hard if you are a new toon that only wants to pvp
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#27 - 2012-01-27 23:02:13 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:


No, there shouldn't, because basically you're just saying "I want fun for everyone else but me and I don't give a **** about them even though they're paying for the subscription fees and CCP servers the same as everyone else" you are honestly just plainly stupid if you actually think that in a game of all things you should be rewarded for 'working' when it is supposed to be a pass time and something fun you do.

If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.


It is essentially this line of thinking that ruins every MMO where the developers eventually cave to this line of reasoning.

The competitive players move on thanks to 'welfare epics' and the game begins a slow decline into mediocrity.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2012-01-27 23:18:14 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:


If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.


EVE already rewards you for your hard work, you get to post on the forums.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#29 - 2012-01-27 23:44:36 UTC
I started this game with nothing!

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#30 - 2012-01-27 23:54:56 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.


Hmm earn it like everyone else?

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Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc
#31 - 2012-01-27 23:58:17 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets.


IT'S A GAME ... WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO WORK HARD IN A GAME?!



Because the challenge IS the game!!..... !
J Kunjeh
#32 - 2012-01-28 00:15:59 UTC
Ethino wrote:
Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's 100% true. Even if new players want to get into this game is pretty damn harsh to establish yourself into the game without pulling 1-2 plexes from the beginning.

[url]http://www.evenews24.com/2012/01/27/jesters-trek-strangled-in-the-crib/[/url]


Just wanted to point out that EN24 didn't write that article (I'm not saying they claimed to, just wanted to make sure peeps here knew that it came from THE most important Eve blog out there: Jester's Trek).

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foxnod
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-01-28 01:04:26 UTC
Is it just me or does it seem like there's more of an entitlement mentality since CCP got rid of the learning skills?
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
#34 - 2012-01-28 01:23:14 UTC
Zirse wrote:
Valei Khurelem wrote:
No, there shouldn't, because basically you're just saying "I want fun for everyone else but me and I don't give a **** about them even though they're paying for the subscription fees and CCP servers the same as everyone else" you are honestly just plainly stupid if you actually think that in a game of all things you should be rewarded for 'working' when it is supposed to be a pass time and something fun you do.

If EVE rewards hard work, I want my paycheck.

It is essentially this line of thinking that ruins every MMO where the developers eventually cave to this line of reasoning.

The competitive players move on thanks to 'welfare epics' and the game begins a slow decline into mediocrity.

And I get bashed when I say that carebears aren't passionate about the game as a whole...

LOL!

+1 Zirse
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#35 - 2012-01-28 01:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Ethino wrote:
Just finished reading this article on evenews24 and i have to say that it's true.


While Jester's article is accurate when talking about one approach to playing one style of gameplay in EVE, it in no way represents the game as a whole. Only boring people get bored my mother used to say.

Here are some ideas for people who are lacking in inspiration and think that EVE is only about flying super caps in null sec: First, check out St Mio's chart of things to do in EVE Online, and Akita T's Making ISK guide in the EVElopedia.

My partner is starting EVE on a 60 day trial and is already at the point with her simple arbitrage hauling effort that she is making another 5M ISK a day or so, and is still playing on a trial. That is: no hauler, no science skills, no planetary interaction. She has no interest in blowing things up in space (yet).

Jester's blog post is like someone stating that swimming is boring, so they don't see any hope for the Olympics.

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Ethino
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-01-28 02:25:15 UTC
Well my opinion on this is that if EvE wants to "attract" new revenue they might start doing some tweaks here and there just to give some common sense not just attract players with the hi fidelity char models. Like here you created a new account, here is your Rubik's Cube now **** off.
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#37 - 2012-01-28 02:34:11 UTC
Lol OP.

Seriously.. getting money in this game isn't all that hard. And while a new player can be a bit overwhelmed with things, if they join a good corp with people that will teach them the ropes, then things are fine. You do NOT need all of those fancy ships you're talking about.

A newbie in a rifter is a scary prospect if he knows what he's doing, especially if he has 20 veteran friends with him.
A Drake will do level 4s just fine if you really want ot mission.
A cane or drake works fine in incursions until you can afford a shinier ship for it.


Learning how to be self sufficient and make money in Eve is something that every player should learn early on. Finding somethign they like doing and makes money which pays for further advancements and projects they want to undertake.

As for 100M in 100 days.. that's bloody easy. I made my first billion in my first month, 6 months later, I had an income of several hundred million a month. Nowadays it's close to 2B and soon expanding upwards to 3-4B when my next project starts up.

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Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-01-28 02:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Dbars Grinding
I spent way to long ninja salvaging l4s in dodixie when i first started. I also twitch a little every time i see a salvager.

I have more space likes than you. 
met worst
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-01-28 02:47:58 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets.


IT'S A GAME ... WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO WORK HARD IN A GAME?!

Wha???!!

It's a GAME???!!!!

So why am I working so hard???!!!!
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#40 - 2012-01-28 03:14:29 UTC
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets.


I am a vet and I am bitter, I wish was I noob with a game offering me instant gratification, if only Cry