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Andre II
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-01-28 00:10:51 UTC
Strange... I used to always say Star Wars was better but over the years reading more SciFi I believe i prefer Star Trek more... I honestly believe you can't compare the two. Star Wars was an amazing visual experience about an intergalactic war, but Star Trek is different. Star Trek is more how humanity could possibly be in the future, Star Wars is about a different civilization galaxies away. It has no reference to humanity on earth, while Star Trek does. Star Trek is much like the earth but in space, trying to keep peace but always plagued by problems.

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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-01-28 00:28:32 UTC
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#3 - 2012-01-28 01:12:25 UTC
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-01-28 01:28:22 UTC
I think SW jumped the shark when they introduced those alliens that traveled from another galaxy and invaded SW galaxy.

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2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#5 - 2012-01-28 01:41:40 UTC
star trek has always been superior over star wars, different reasons than yours and many more but I agree with your conclusion. Star wars use to be great for what it was but now it is not even that. Lucas and his company killed it. Unlike paramount who always succeeded with the same and can still kill the ST franchise anyday now, at least we will always have what made it great to begin with, unlike SWs original film that george lucas hammered to pieces and force fed us a childish ****** remake.

At least with KOTOR I lived in the SW universe through gaming and somewhat different lore but EA/BW and Lucas destroyed that as wellwith SWTOR...
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#6 - 2012-01-28 02:09:11 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
I think SW jumped the shark when they introduced those alliens that traveled from another galaxy and invaded SW galaxy.



I believe you mean ST, and specifically DS9 during the Dominion. I didn't watch as much of that though you have to admit ST fleet battles with a station included are pretty bad ass.

Watched even less of voyager, and never bothered with Enterprise.


I think 2 that beat out both ST and SW are Babylon 5, for their much better understanding of space physics and what felt like more real world type of politics, and Firefly, for giving us a view of what the little guys are doing while the big battles wage on which also gave us more of a connection with the crew that we were watching.

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2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#7 - 2012-01-28 02:40:47 UTC  |  Edited by: 2bhammered
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
I think SW jumped the shark when they introduced those alliens that traveled from another galaxy and invaded SW galaxy.



I believe you mean ST, and specifically DS9 during the Dominion. I didn't watch as much of that though you have to admit ST fleet battles with a station included are pretty bad ass.

Watched even less of voyager, and never bothered with Enterprise.


I think 2 that beat out both ST and SW are Babylon 5, for their much better understanding of space physics and what felt like more real world type of politics, and Firefly, for giving us a view of what the little guys are doing while the big battles wage on which also gave us more of a connection with the crew that we were watching.



Voyager had as many if not more lifelessons in it and kept true to what ST is/was than DS9. Enterprise and the new movie was the first and also what broke ST away from the original vision of ST and the whole point of the series and francshise. Which is funny because that also killed the ST series, that and UPN, and movies at least with the fans. Only fans will watch the show so... now we just got movies and because the STO game failed I doubt we will see more ST gaming for a long while.


PS: The dominion came from the same galaxy, just another part of it by the use of a wormhole, but unlike other Star Trek DS9 after season 3 or 4, can't remember, was the first one to become the most ehm forgot the word for it, basically you have to watch all shows in order to follow along if you don't wanna get confused and turned off. All other shows even voyager you cAN miss more than one episode (even 10) yet still tune in and enjoy without a problem.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#8 - 2012-01-28 03:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
i like both.

(to be more specific: ST 1-6+11, SW 4-6)

edit:
and i agree that both are hard to compare.
SW (old movies) are a SciFi fairy tail ST has a different target group.

and everything got worse with time (however i really liked the ST reboot)

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Alara IonStorm
#9 - 2012-01-28 10:03:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
I love the Star Trek Universe set out in TGN, Voy and DS9. I like the original to a degree but TBH that is 23 years before I was born, I did not grow up with it.

Deep Space Nine is by far my favorite. It was a lot less Black and White then other two and more Grey. A lot of main Characters were not Starfleet but had their own perspectives and the villains were explored much deeper then any other series.

Star Trek was a good 3 Movies + Expanded Universe and 3 terrible Movies. But that can not compete with 600+ Episodes of Star Trek.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#10 - 2012-01-28 10:35:43 UTC
I enjoyed a lot TNG and Voyager, but in terms of SF, Babylon 5 (minus the last and unnecesary season) completely owns everything else.

Story, characters and universe, Babylon 5 is a self-contained work of excellence. It managed to get right even the most dangerous stuff as long as the main arc lasted.

But then I am not 100% unbiased as i essentially love Susan Ivanova/Claudia Christian... Lol
Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#11 - 2012-01-28 10:39:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Renturu
Big Damn Heros!!!

Flame on!!!!

/troll

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W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
#12 - 2012-01-28 11:58:56 UTC
Renturu wrote:
Big Damn Heros!!!

Flame on!!!!

/troll



I'm ok with StarTrek, BSG, SW, ETC. but yes, Firefly/Serenity tops them all.
48 DD
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-01-28 13:30:41 UTC
Star Trek has always been better than Star Wars?

I've been discussing this thread with my buddy Yoda, and you know what he said?

"F*ck Spock. How's a brother gonna death grip another if his arm ends in a cauterised stump?"

Word.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#14 - 2012-01-28 13:35:37 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I enjoyed a lot TNG and Voyager, but in terms of SF, Babylon 5 (minus the last and unnecesary season) completely owns everything else.

Story, characters and universe, Babylon 5 is a self-contained work of excellence. It managed to get right even the most dangerous stuff as long as the main arc lasted.

But then I am not 100% unbiased as i essentially love Susan Ivanova/Claudia Christian... Lol


Link Claudia Christian to David Duchovny in less than 3 moves...

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-01-28 18:20:02 UTC
Renturu wrote:
Big Damn Heros!!!

Flame on!!!!

/troll

The scope is wrong. SW has a galaxy as a backdrop for the story. ST has several regions in one galaxy as a backdrop. Firefly has one solar system and all the characters are human, no aliens and their alien view points.

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stoicfaux
#16 - 2012-01-28 19:17:46 UTC
48 DD wrote:
Star Trek has always been better than Star Wars?

I've been discussing this thread with my buddy Yoda, and you know what he said?

"F*ck Spock. How's a brother gonna death grip another if his arm ends in a cauterised stump?"

Word.


Lightsabers don't block phasers, especially ones modified to rotate frequencies.

Also, given how often time travel is featured in ST, Spock can go back in time and nerve pinch your grandfather so hard that your father's testicles will be permanently damaged causing you to never have been born in the first place.

Finally, a single Star Fleet engineer + Deflector Shield = Modified Deflector Shield which trumps all known Star Wars (and Star Trek) technology.

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#17 - 2012-01-28 19:22:04 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
Unlike paramount who always succeeded with the same


Voyager
Enterprise
Generations
Insurrection
Nemesis

Enough said.
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#18 - 2012-01-28 19:34:52 UTC
Eve Forum ate my initial post. So I cut it shorter this time around:

ST =

Humanitarian / Utopian vision of what our species might accomplish some day, both on a technological and cultural level.

ST promoted open-mindedness, scientific approach to problems, a sincere will to try a peaceful resolution of conflicts before nuking the whole planet.

ST can credit itself with the first kiss between a black woman and a white man. ST has shown us cell phones and tablet computers long before Nokia or Apple came around with the real technology.

Here's a link if you want to read more about how ST came about and what influenced its creator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-01-28 20:11:54 UTC
Jill Xelitras wrote:
Eve Forum ate my initial post. So I cut it shorter this time around:

ST =

Humanitarian / Utopian vision of what our species might accomplish some day, both on a technological and cultural level.

ST promoted open-mindedness, scientific approach to problems, a sincere will to try a peaceful resolution of conflicts before nuking the whole planet.

ST can credit itself with the first kiss between a black woman and a white man. ST has shown us cell phones and tablet computers long before Nokia or Apple came around with the real technology.

Here's a link if you want to read more about how ST came about and what influenced its creator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry

Jill.


I watched all the series and movies during the summer and I'd argue that ST used to be exactly that, but all the later entries in the series, both series and movies, have all but abandoned all of that. The characters started to behave increasingly like people today both in good and bad, the entries were much more focused on superficial action and moved towards science fantasy and are increasingly just plain ******** and pseudo intellectual in their message. What I mean with the last one is, that they try to feed the audience stupid and at times even morally abhorrent ideals and present them as admirable ideals. For example the things they twist the prime directive to justify is simply disgusting at times and makes no logical sense, if you think about it even a little.

Today I'd say they are both increasingly pretty much the same thing(science fantasy space adventures) these days. The main difference is, that the director of the ST movies is more skilled than GL, so the end product is also superior, although it wasn't anything great either. I like them both, but have higher hopes for ST, since every SW product I've encountered in recent years has really been absolutely terrible.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#20 - 2012-01-28 20:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: 2bhammered
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Jill Xelitras wrote:
Eve Forum ate my initial post. So I cut it shorter this time around:

ST =

Humanitarian / Utopian vision of what our species might accomplish some day, both on a technological and cultural level.

ST promoted open-mindedness, scientific approach to problems, a sincere will to try a peaceful resolution of conflicts before nuking the whole planet.

ST can credit itself with the first kiss between a black woman and a white man. ST has shown us cell phones and tablet computers long before Nokia or Apple came around with the real technology.

Here's a link if you want to read more about how ST came about and what influenced its creator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry

Jill.


I watched all the series and movies during the summer and I'd argue that ST used to be exactly that, but all the later entries in the series, both series and movies, have all but abandoned all of that. The characters started to behave increasingly like people today both in good and bad, the entries were much more focused on superficial action and moved towards science fantasy and are increasingly just plain ******** and pseudo intellectual in their message. What I mean with the last one is, that they try to feed the audience stupid and at times even morally abhorrent ideals and present them as admirable ideals. For example the things they twist the prime directive to justify is simply disgusting at times and makes no logical sense, if you think about it even a little.

Today I'd say they are both increasingly pretty much the same thing(science fantasy space adventures) these days. The main difference is, that the director of the ST movies is more skilled than GL, so the end product is also superior, although it wasn't anything great either. I like them both, but have higher hopes for ST, since every SW product I've encountered in recent years has really been absolutely terrible.



Not true until the show enterprise and the latest 2 ST movies, all before that have substance and goes along Gene's vision. They made enterprise on purpose in order to be more "human" and the new movie in an alternate universe in order to "change" the characters to be more "human". Star Trek voyager had ideals and stuck to them even in the last episode. Same with movies until nemesis, nemesis started the change with ent, I did like ent but it was for sure not real ST but rather random sci fi crap. ST lost it as a franchise somewhat, but the difference is, I still have the original forever, the original star wars was destroyed in an acid bath with a laughing insecure fat george lucas standing over it working on a new yet again edited 3d star wars on bluray edition while I can watch all of ST on DVD in its true form, anytime.
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