EVE General Discussion

Yet most of us managed to do it without buying PLEXes and many of us did it when getting ISKies was much harder than it is now and stuff was much more expensive.

in other news people still want instant gratification and dont want to work hard like the bitter vets.

wrong wrong wrong.

you don't need no such thing. what you need is a good guiding hand, and that, my friend, is worth a lot more than 2 plexes.
teaching the ropes on new guys so that they are effective from day 0 in any ship is hard, yes, and is a job that requires quite the amount of patience, but is like that saying goes, "feed a man a fish and he will have food for a day, teach him how to fish..."

Working hard and spending lots of time in game don't always count as equals.

I'd say SP is EVE's only bottleneck. ISk isn't really very hard to get.

You don't have to work hard, but you'll have to settle for cheaper but still effective things to have fun in. If you want the biggest e-peen enlargement or the best equipment though, you'll going to have to work for it one way or another and that's how it should always be. If you want it all now without putting in that effort, I don't think MMOs are the right genre of games for you.

"I agree with the core points re:new players (but then new players have pay for the older players' subscriptions via PLEX) but the article discredits itself by over-exaggerating the problem.

Carriers are something that players start thinking about around the 40m SP mark in my experience, at that point they should have a pretty good grasp of ISK making opportunities (and incidentally the skill prerequisites for a triage carrier allow you to run incursions really well).

I have been in a variety of 0.0 alliances and not being able to afford losing a Vagabond every day has never been a problem.

That being said I have talked to some newer players recently who have trouble funding bcs without ship replacement programs - mostly because they are afraid of asking other people for help (so many CAs go unlooted/salvaged). "

it depends really, it only becomes a true chore if you set your goal too high and you start working on it.

setting eyes on a far away goal isn't a bad thing, however. but having a set of intermediary goals in a well thought-out long term plan can make the experience much better.

that, and, as I said above, a good guiding hand.

The problem Jester complains about, but is unable to articulate, is the presence of NPC corps.

NPC corps set the bar of highsec economic competition to a low that edges out accounting for the loss of ships thanks to perma-CONCORD protection. With no risk involved in calculating the rewards of PvE, ISK generation is balanced around everyone using a tengu instead of a drake, an Obelisk instead of an Iteron V, a Orca-buffed Hulk instead of a Procurer. The end losers in this state of affairs are newbies who can't afford or have the skills to pilot the new 'standard' PvE machine. They also eat the majority of grief because they're specifically targeted because of their inexperience with wardec evasion that the vets (who the griefers would rather gank) are so skilled at.

Ban NPC Corps.

Breaking in to any game that is 8 years old and thinking you will be a contendor is unrealistic. In terms of ISK, it won't do you much good. Sure you could meta 4 fit a firetail but unless that nooblet fit is going in the fittings chart and will be your default PvP ship then don't because you will lose it.

New players in EVE are cheap and in terms of thier value in a fleet, it's on par with a 6 year vet considering ships are all SP locked and niche blocked in what they can provide to the fleet anyway. If a noob or a vet thinks they will ever matter solo, that's just not going to ever end well. EVE is a blob game. You can like it, you can hate it, it doesn't matter. It is what it is. Noobs don't need to plan thier game assuming they will fight the likes of me in 1 vs 1 because it isn't going to happen.