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T2 BPO COmmunity Fund - Official Launch
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Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#1 - 2012-01-27 17:51:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Lauren Hellfury
What is it?

The fund provides a means for players to group together in order to acquire T2 BPOs for the sole purpose of their removal from the game. This is achieved by simply buying any available T2 BPO from the market and trashing it. The trashing of all T2 BPOs is captured using a screen grabber and the video is then edited and uploaded to youtube.
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Why do this?

The existence of T2 BPOs within EVE online is viewed by many as an abhorrent anomaly. These people believe that the T2 BPOs unduly and unfairly influence the profit available to and the viability of invention. There are others who simply feel that they are an outdated resource that should be removed.

There are repeated calls for CCP to remove them from the game via various proposed mechanics from a simple deletion from the database through mutations on spawning Isk, utilising Isk seized from RMTers to purchase at market rate or an arbitrary fixed price. This is unlikely to ever happen.

The problem is that T2 BPOs are expensive and many people will never acquire enough isk at any one point in time to be able to buy them. This is where the fund comes in. By selling shares belonging to the in-game Corporation capital is built up to enable us to remove these items from the game on behalf of the players that want to see this happen.


How does it work?

Very simply, you send Isk to me in multiples of 1M and I will return to you an equivalent number of shares. You are then free to do with the shares what you wish. The corp ticker is [T2H8R] so if you know anyone that is a T2 Hater then send some their way - or even better, encourage them to participate.

The previous thread, here, is now defunct and was a more humourous approach to things. But since I've received over 1.1B in donations to this fund I thought it only right to do it properly.

You can find more information on this including a brief bit on how T2 BPOs affect things over here on a sub-page of my blog. Please help spread the word and let's get the first BPO trashed asap!

Regards,
<----

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De Guillaume
THORN Syndicate
Northern Coalition.
#2 - 2012-01-27 17:53:27 UTC  |  Edited by: De Guillaume
best idea everShockedreally

Has you ever went so far as chose to go even use want to look more like do?
sosumi u'hole
FPA T2 BPO Community Fund
#3 - 2012-01-27 17:55:21 UTC
Confirming I'm an alt and I am waiting on a vote to complete before distributing shares to those who purchased them in the old thread.
Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-27 18:36:20 UTC
I am sorry to say this is a lost cause by default. The more BPO's you buy, the more expensive the rest become. Besides, the people whom have enough money to actually buy a T2 BPO are generally the ones who own one or two already and the ones whom would donate to this fund are generally the ones who cannot miss the money.

That said, I welcome this initiative, I just don't think it's practical.

Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#5 - 2012-01-27 19:04:32 UTC
This is why the entry point (share cost) is set so low. How much Isk do you (or whoever is reading) earn in a day? How about using that, or half of it or even a quarter of it to purchase shares. If I can find people that are prepared to buy shares on a repeat basis every month that would be awesome! This does not rely on people making big share purchases.

I don't expect to be able to go out and buy Hulk BPOs or Ishtar BPOs because those really are truly expensive. However you can pick T2 BPOs up for as little as 5B. There is already 1.129B sitting in the corp wallet ready to go, another 3 or 4 B and we can have the first purchase.

3 or 4 B sounds a lot but if I can get this out to enough people then even small amounts will work. To that end I will be spending some time anchoring cans left right and center around gates into and out of major trade hubs. If you are a member of an alliance or corp then please, please, please drop a link to this thread in there. Public awareness will be key.


What would be really useful is a nice big T2 BPO whine thread in S&I. Blink

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#6 - 2012-01-27 19:12:17 UTC
De Guillaume wrote:
best idea everShockedreally


Yea

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#7 - 2012-01-27 19:13:03 UTC
Callean Drevus wrote:
I am sorry to say this is a lost cause by default. The more BPO's you buy, the more expensive the rest become. Besides, the people whom have enough money to actually buy a T2 BPO are generally the ones who own one or two already and the ones whom would donate to this fund are generally the ones who cannot miss the money.

That said, I welcome this initiative, I just don't think it's practical.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Kara Roideater
#8 - 2012-01-27 20:13:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Roideater
Possibly even more fun than just trashing them would be to stick one in a shuttle periodically, announce your location and then start bouncing around the system while the hounds close in. The rate of destruction might be lower but there would be additional grins and also the chance of redistribution to those who might otherwise never own one.

Edit - If you choose to go down that route I'll throw another few bil into the pot.
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#9 - 2012-01-27 20:38:48 UTC
Very tempting. My initial concern with that would be I would need to take the character under -5.0 sec status. Otherwise it would require a suicide gank and the people interested in using it would not even attempt that.

It's doable, certainly, but I wonder how many would understand the mechanics well enough to know that killing a pirate shuttle wouldn't lead to kill rights or any CONCORD retribution.


Could possibly organise it through one of the eve related radio shows. They've probably got enough listeners that wouldn't mind hurting their sec....

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Kagan Storm
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-01-27 20:39:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagan Storm
Hi.

This entier topic is crap.

If in theory you pull enough funds prove you are not gona steal them

When you do that prove you are gona buy a good bpo. Not one of those that makes modules that are so uslles people in jita dont even sell them.

After that prove you are also not gona buy a bpo form yourself.

And in the end after you prove all of this..... Congratulations you are a lier and a scammer. Why? Cause for each BPO you trash price of others goes up.... so you are in effect not doing anything constructive. You are in fact helping t2 BPO owners.


So you dear Sir are a lier, scammer, cheat, bad person, dushbag and a hemafrodite. Please go back the primordial gunk that you sleazed out of and stay there.

KK thanks... bb... Bear

P.S. Those who gave him money you are idiots. Or alts. Blink
P.S.S.: those who support this... i have some boots that need licking if you are interested.

My ego is the the size of my carriers jump range.
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#11 - 2012-01-27 21:14:22 UTC
Kagan Storm wrote:

If in theory you pull enough funds prove you are not gona steal them


Proving I am not going to do something is, as you should be aware, not possible. How about you go find some proof of where i've scammed someone. Take your time.


Kagan Storm wrote:

When you do that prove you are gona buy a good bpo. Not one of those that makes modules that are so uslles people in jita dont even sell them.


Aiming for a "good" T2 BPO requires significantly more isk for obvious reasons and means that things happen more slowly. One of the common perceptions is that if T2 BPOs for an item didn't exist then they would be profitable for inventors. I don't necessarily agree with that view point although there is an element of truth to it. Take Interceptors, the vast majority of those produced are done so with BPOs, the fewer the BPOs the more chance there is that we get to the point where demand gets to about the point where the extant BPOs can no longer fulfil that demand.

Alternatively there are BPOs for things like T2 small ammo that are used a lot and aren't particularly expensive. This is the area I've kind of marked as the entry point for this. Something like Barrage S or Scorch S wouldn't be a bad choice. They're profitable and relatively cheap.


Kagan Storm wrote:

After that prove you are also not gona buy a bpo form yourself.


Would it honestly matter? The purchase price will be stated so it will be obvious if I overpaid or not. I also don't own any T2 BPOs anyway and don't have any particular interest in doing so. My position on them is quite clear.


Kagan Storm wrote:

And in the end after you prove all of this..... Congratulations you are a lier and a scammer. Why? Cause for each BPO you trash price of others goes up.... so you are in effect not doing anything constructive. You are in fact helping t2 BPO owners.


There is an argument that the removal of any T2 BPO increases the profitability of the remaining ones and this is true. The issue was first raised by Bad Bobby in-game, if you're interested. As above does that really matter? It still reduces the amount of items that are brought into the game via BPO production which either increases profits for everyone or allows more people to invent that item for the same profit.

I've even suggested that people who own T2 BPOs have a vested interest in purchasing the shares in the hope that I trash one of the ones they own. Gatan has even offered a "bonus" to the fund if I trash one that he owns.


Kagan Storm wrote:

So you dear Sir are a lier, scammer, cheat, bad person, dushbag and a hemafrodite. Please go back the primordial gunk that you sleazed out of and stay there.

KK thanks... bb... Bear

P.S. Those who gave him money you are idiots. Or alts. Blink
P.S.S.: those who support this... i have some boots that need licking if you are interested.


umad? you seem mad.

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Kara Roideater
#12 - 2012-01-27 21:18:49 UTC
Kagan! Quick! Behind you! The point that escaped you is getting away! P

@Lauren - Damnable practicalities. Sad
Jimmyhatt
Contra Ratio
GameTheory
#13 - 2012-01-27 21:31:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jimmyhatt
This idea is ********.

So you want to ruin income of veteran players because you cant figure out how to make isk, so you decide to take away the competitive advantage?

Im sure as far as CCP is concerned the T2 BPO's are a reward for staying in the game so long.

You should have started playing when they had the lotto, then you wouldnt be complaining.


04 are die!

P.S. you talk too much
Kagan Storm
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-01-27 21:43:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagan Storm
Lauren Hellfury wrote:


umad? you seem mad.


How did you come to a conclusion im mad? I put a smiley.


And who is gatan? you mentioned him in your quote r ape of my post.

My ego is the the size of my carriers jump range.
Mardero
#15 - 2012-01-27 21:47:14 UTC
Jimmyhatt wrote:
This idea is ********.

So you want to ruin income of veteran players because you cant figure out how to make isk, so you decide to take away the competitive advantage?

Im sure as far as CCP is concerned the T2 BPO's are a reward for staying in the game so long.

You should have started playing when they had the lotto, then you wouldnt be complaining.


04 are die!

P.S. you talk too much

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Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#16 - 2012-01-27 21:53:00 UTC
Jimmyhatt wrote:
So you want to ruin income of veteran players because you cant figure out how to make isk, so you decide to take away the competitive advantage?


Not quite. Let's work backwards since the last part is the most relevant here. It is not possible to remove the competitive advantage of a BPO with what I am doing. That advantage is inherent to BPOs. Not only do they not have any invention costs associated with production, they all started out with ME0 PE0 and they can be researched to reduce the waste of the normal materials as well as reducing the production time. Obviously the extra materials are constant for both BPOs and invented BPCs regardless of ME.

Secondly on that point I would only be removing BPOs that people no longer have a use for. If they still had a use for them then they wouldn't be selling them would they?

I also know very well how to make Isk. I'm currently offloading some of the T1 BPOs that I don't use, they come out to about 5.7B. I also make isk through market manipulations even if sometimes they don't work out too well (I got stuck with enough Nitrogen Isotopes to run my towers for more than 10 years). I have a Wolf with 1B of fittings on it, a Nightmare with more than 5B of fittings, CNR with 3B of fittings, Mach, Navy Domi the list goes on. Oh, in additional to all that I also plex 4 of my accounts.

As for it being an income for "veteran players" that's simply untrue. It's available to anyone that has the RL cash to drop on GTCs and can find someone selling a decent T2 BPO. Don't know if you're aware of Hax Zoidberg, but he mad plenty of Isk from failing under-collateralised courier contracts, admittedly he lost a chunk of that because some of the contracts he failed were created with a dupe exploit but he still made good bank in his first months. You should really understand that I am not, personally, against T2 BPOs. I pretty much don't care one way or the other. This is a community fund because it exists so that those who want to get rid of them and can't afford to buy and trash them individually have somewhere to pool resources to get that done.


Jimmyhatt wrote:
Im sure as far as CCP is concerned the T2 BPO's are a reward for staying in the game so long.


Not quite, CCP have stated that they thought the BPO lottery was a Bad Thing™. They haven't stated any position on the good/bad or otherwise of T2 BPOs. They also can't be a reward "for staying in the game so long" since you didn't need to have a character/account of a certain age to participate in the lottery when it was running and as noted above the only thing you need to get one is Isk.


Jimmyhatt wrote:
You should have started playing when they had the lotto, then you wouldnt be complaining.


I'm really not complaining about them. Honest. Smile

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Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#17 - 2012-01-27 21:55:42 UTC
Kagan Storm wrote:

And who is gatan? you mentioned him in your quote r ape of my post.


Sorry for the quote rape - it's just what I do. Gatan is the guy that posted this. He'll pay an additional 10m (peanuts I know) for any BPO trashed that he owns a duplicate of.

Oh, and please have fun with the stuff about kick-backs. Twisted

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klar valimar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-01-27 21:57:33 UTC
I just consider getting one of the tech bpo's to be a challenge and another level to reach for. I think taking them out of the game would diminish the game. More goals to work for, more things to do, the more robust a game is and people play longer.

tech 2 bpos are such a small portion of the manufacturing pot that they really are not a big deal. I do not understand why people whine about them so much.
Jimmyhatt
Contra Ratio
GameTheory
#19 - 2012-01-27 21:59:30 UTC
I have more isk than you :)
Stonewall Jackie
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-01-27 22:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Stonewall Jackie
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
What is it?

The fund provides a means for players to group together in order to acquire T2 BPOs for the sole purpose of their removal from the game. This is achieved by simply buying any available T2 BPO from the market and trashing it. The trashing of all T2 BPOs is captured using a screen grabber and the video is then edited and uploaded to youtube.
Top


Why do this?

The existence of T2 BPOs within EVE online is viewed by many as an abhorrent anomaly. These people believe that the T2 BPOs unduly and unfairly influence the profit available to and the viability of invention. There are others who simply feel that they are an outdated resource that should be removed.

There are repeated calls for CCP to remove them from the game via various proposed mechanics from a simple deletion from the database through mutations on spawning Isk, utilising Isk seized from RMTers to purchase at market rate or an arbitrary fixed price. This is unlikely to ever happen.

The problem is that T2 BPOs are expensive and many people will never acquire enough isk at any one point in time to be able to buy them. This is where the fund comes in. By selling shares belonging to the in-game Corporation capital is built up to enable us to remove these items from the game on behalf of the players that want to see this happen.


How does it work?

Very simply, you send Isk to me in multiples of 1M and I will return to you an equivalent number of shares. You are then free to do with the shares what you wish. The corp ticker is [T2H8R] so if you know anyone that is a T2 Hater then send some their way - or even better, encourage them to participate.

The previous thread, here, is now defunct and was a more humourous approach to things. But since I've received over 1.1B in donations to this fund I thought it only right to do it properly.

You can find more information on this including a brief bit on how T2 BPOs affect things over here on a sub-page of my blog. Please help spread the word and let's get the first BPO trashed asap!

Regards,
<----



Getting in on this thread because hopefully this will be a sweet scam in 6 months. Enjoy your investor backed BPO's?
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