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There will never be a CSM representative for highsec..

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#61 - 2012-01-27 11:55:19 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Tres Farmer wrote:
Because people who play in high sec and who aren't alts of any other group aren't as passionate about the game.
And being passionate about the game is needed to become a CSM representative.. it's additional stress and work besides playing this game, which even after you did it to the best of your knowledge and ability in 90% of the cases earns you mockery and verbal abuse. For people who are just playing casually this is not feasible.
So the only ones, who rally for CSM and take the downsides are those who get something out of it for their group.

It's funny though.. a very large group, composed of casual players has no voice because of the nature of it's members. Cool



Actually, I would argue that many highsec dwellers are passionate about the game. I've met many. Lack of representation of highsec is not due to the populations habits as much as it is to do with the lack of resources and cohesion.

But, even if highsec did have solidarity, how long do you believe it would be before nullsec starts buying votes with their moongoo?

It's all rather pointless to even consider the issue with highsec representation until CCP makes a more formal organization of it and its execution. Until then participation by highsec members is wasted effort as they could never control the amount of wealth that nullsec does. Any cooperative effort by highsec to pool resources to do so will only result in mass scamming.


I'm not at all convinced that there's less money in hi-sec hands than there is in moon goo.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
#62 - 2012-01-27 12:25:43 UTC
The main thing preventing highsec becoming politically engaged in the CSM is that most highsec residents don't have a driving reason to lobby CCP developers since they don't want anything to change. There are plenty of issues around nullsec, lowsec and wormspace life that are in urgent need of fixing but highsec already has all the rewards with none of the risk, and the residents there are perfectly happy for that status quo to remain in place forever while they plex their accounts with botted veldspar asteroids and incursion farming.

What big game-changing cause does highsec have to rally around?
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#63 - 2012-01-27 12:26:54 UTC
One of the biggest problems here is that a good deal of forum users here seem to focus only in General Discussion, ignoring the other really informative and important forums such as Assembly Hall. Heck, even Dev Blogs along the top here are not checked as much as one would expect them to be.

So we end-up with all the mish-mash in this one Forum. Such a pity.

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#64 - 2012-01-27 12:40:32 UTC
Well, just get someone with a Pro High-Sec campaign and see how many supporters/voters he/she gets.

/thread

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#65 - 2012-01-27 13:01:51 UTC
The whole claim of "only the null sec dwellers are passionate about the game" is pure nonsence.

Casual gameplay doesn't imply less love for the game. Zealotery and almost living in the game is in fact the same thing as being too passionate about your religion like the fanatics that blow up other people.

Being passionate is one thing, but driving that passion too far is all but healthy or sane.

People not realising that within the game also lies the social media of verbal interaction, which in many cases is being used to harrass and hurt people as much as possible due to the nature of the game allowing such behaviour.
People looking to explore the very boundries of what is allowed and they can get away with.
Totally dispatched from the fact that the one they are trying to hurt as much as possible is a human being aswel.

Maybe their target is as much into the "reality" of EVE as his assailant. So his sense of loss will even be more. Which ofcourse then is rekindling the flame of hatred from the attacker.

It's then easy to say all over "it's just a game" which is a line mainly used by those who thrive on being the most socially rejected people in the game.
Social interaction without human interaction offers the possebility to send hatefull messages and hurt people by just a click of a button without having to see the following consequences.


So don't talk about love for the game if you can't talk sympathetic about your fellow gamers.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-01-27 18:29:30 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


I'm not at all convinced that there's less money in hi-sec hands than there is in moon goo.


I can't answer specifically to the point. However, I would say that while there might be more isk (which I doubt) overall in HS, how many hands hold that isk? This goes back to cohesion and the lack of it in HS. Individually, even in small groups hs cannot compete financially with individuals in null.

Don't ban me, bro!
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2012-01-27 18:49:50 UTC
if you choose to live in high sec only, you don't know anything about eve. Go build a hugbox tia
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#68 - 2012-01-27 19:30:30 UTC
I've been in the CSM twice and was a High Sec candidate. I still am a High Sec candidate. In fact I am trying to build a political party for High Sec candidates.

To say I am not passionate about Eve is simply wrong. I have made a huge commitment to Eve for years. I've participated in the Alliance Tournament twice, lived in low and null sec, built a corp that has lasted 5 years and an alliance that will be four years old this year. And I still am focused on what most folks dismiss as high sec "care bears".

Why can't I be as passionate about a group of Eve players just because that group says no to being part of a big null sec power block or isn't interested in the latest super cap balance of sov annoyance?

So to the OP, I have to respectfully disagree and offer myself as a counter example to your claim.

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate
Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
#69 - 2012-01-27 21:25:30 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
I've been in the CSM twice and was a High Sec candidate. I still am a High Sec candidate. In fact I am trying to build a political party for High Sec candidates.


That worked out really well last time, I hear.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#70 - 2012-01-27 22:03:31 UTC
Shobon Welp wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
I've been in the CSM twice and was a High Sec candidate. I still am a High Sec candidate. In fact I am trying to build a political party for High Sec candidates.


That worked out really well last time, I hear.



"When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England."


Sometimes it takes a couple fo tries to get something right.

Issler
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-01-27 22:05:21 UTC
0/10
Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-01-27 22:54:19 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Well, just get someone with a Pro High-Sec campaign and see how many supporters/voters he/she gets.

/thread


Better yet get someone with a pro good ideas and values campaign without the regional predjudice.
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#73 - 2012-01-29 19:36:19 UTC

I believe several mechanisms get in the way of high sec political action, especially the rampant enrollment in NPC corps which drain away potential allegiances, create false senses of safety and reinforce isolationistic tendencies. I would imagine that if CCP took the simple action of kicking members from these corps after a given amount of time you would see a much larger percentage of voter of participation in High-Sec.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#74 - 2012-01-29 21:35:03 UTC
Yeah be voter participation to rebuild those npc corps for them to go back into.

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Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#75 - 2012-01-29 21:38:00 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Yeah be voter participation to rebuild those npc corps for them to go back into.


Awesome. That made me laugh. I imagine that you may be correct but those would be baby steps in the right direction.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#76 - 2012-01-29 21:41:12 UTC
Those people in NPC corps have scrambled brains trust me, was in one for a month or two. I dont even know what they would come out to vote for.

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Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2012-01-29 22:41:41 UTC
be excellent to each other.



and yet i cant help feeling that a simple mechanic as you log in, eg:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

WE ARE CONSIDERING BALANCING INCURSIONS, DO YOU AGREE THAT WE SHOULD?

lots of info regarding reasons for and against goes here.

[ ] YES

[ ] NO

[ ] DONT CARE

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

would work a million times better than some showcase free-holidayathon like the current situation.

Before you **** on my bonfire about this you should know I dont care either way im all EvEd out atm, just throwing stuff out there while im still around Smile
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-01-29 23:03:40 UTC
There are 9 CSM's. Name 4.

Expecting the trolliolliollio's to run and compile a list because they refuse to admit they don't know 4, the point is even if a "high Sec CSM" were elected we see what that amounts to. Nothing because they are as easy to ignore as we are if the idea isn't popular with CCP to begin with.
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#79 - 2012-01-29 23:36:21 UTC
Rellik B00n wrote:
be excellent to each other.



and yet i cant help feeling that a simple mechanic as you log in, eg:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

WE ARE CONSIDERING BALANCING INCURSIONS, DO YOU AGREE THAT WE SHOULD?

lots of info regarding reasons for and against goes here.

[ ] YES

[ ] NO

[ ] DONT CARE

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

would work a million times better than some showcase free-holidayathon like the current situation.

Before you **** on my bonfire about this you should know I dont care either way im all EvEd out atm, just throwing stuff out there while im still around Smile



Direct democracy is a terrible idea, even in EVE, for anything beyond the most general consensus of direction.


WE ARE CONSIDERING GIVING EVERYONE 1 BILLION ISK EVERY FRIDAY, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD?

[X] YES

[ ] NO

[X] LOL
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#80 - 2012-01-29 23:49:07 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


I'm not at all convinced that there's less money in hi-sec hands than there is in moon goo.


I can't answer specifically to the point. However, I would say that while there might be more isk (which I doubt) overall in HS, how many hands hold that isk? This goes back to cohesion and the lack of it in HS. Individually, even in small groups hs cannot compete financially with individuals in null.


Except that the richest individuals in EVE are based in hi-sec

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016