Ships & Modules

Presenting the "Retrollbution" fit:
Pulses (Scorch crystals), MWD, Warp disruptor, Small armor repairer.
Make sure you have enough cap to permarun without the armor repairer and run the repairer for a minute if you need it.
Don't bog down your speed with plates, go resistances if you need some tank.

Kite and shoot with Pulses at Optimal Range of 15km.
Half the AFs (close range fits) cannot even touch you at that distance.
The other half (the kiting fits) will probably not put out as much damage as you due to Scorch crystals.
Meanwhile, your armor repairer is helping to stack the fight even more in your favor and helping with drone damage.

This is the real deal. I have won actual duels with it.

I tend to prefer more tank than gank... and the Retribution has always had a special place in my heart. With the new AF buff I can finally reveal this without ridicule.

I slapped this fit together and have high hopes for it... basically it's a beefy, brawling, heavy tackle.

[Retribution - GoldenKnuckle]

[Highs]
Dual Light Pulse Laser II (Imperial Navy Multifrequency)
Dual Light Pulse Laser II (Imperial Navy Multifrequency)
Dual Light Pulse Laser II (Imperial Navy Multifrequency)
Dual Light Pulse Laser II (Imperial Navy Multifrequency)
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

[Mids]
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

[Lows]
Small Armor Repair II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Thermic Plating II
Energized Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II

[Rigs]
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I


Notes: VERY tight fit... with AWU 5 you only have about 0.8 PG left. And I will admit... the DPS is anemic but I think that this problem is more than made up for in its tanking ability (my god, the resistances!! Warrior IIs do not concern me!!!)

I thought about that a bit - with a T2 point + loki booster it becomes pretty reasonable to engage in the 25-35km range. It just becomes fit like a Slicer with Beams then. :P

-Liang

try 400m plate, small rep, ab and nos + whatever

its pretty beast

I don't like MP because they don't track well enough. I'm likely going to run DHP or maybe a 30km Beam Retri.

-Liang

Retri needs to be buffed a little more. It is a bit too slow to kite and lacks a mid for a webber to go close range.
It needs a little more speed so it can be flown like a Slicer, or another mid so it can be fit for close range.

While all the AFs have been buffed, remember that its initial state was the worst of all the AFs (1 mid? Come on...), so it should receive a little extra to bring it up to level with the other AFs.

nah, considering the potential engagement envelope of lasers (even small ones), the only thing that can be buffed on retri atm is either another turret slot (yes I know I keep saying this) and bit more fitting space, or just a bit more fitting space.

wolf still needs a bit more cpu tbh

I was running some Retribution fits the other night, going for a MWD+Disruptor kiting setup.

In a purely frigate vs frigate setup, given the rock-scissors-paper nature of these setups fitting the ship to beat AB+Scram seems pointless as, barring some sort of grave error, would always come out on top of the fight with the MWD+Disruptor setup. This leaves building the ship to combat the MWD+Scram crowd, which would generally imply they're sacrificing tank for speed to be able to catch you in the first place.

As I'm not too familiar with the non-Amarr frigates any attempt for me to build a fit to test against the Retribution fit on paper is likely to not be indicative of the real world, would anyone with more experience in the other races be able to chip in with some basic DPS/Speed/Tank numbers of likely opposing MWD+Scram fits (and to a lesser extent, MWD+Disruptor, however I'm not certain the Retribution can be topped for DPS around the 20KM mark).

Here is the fit I was playing with the other night:


[Retribution, PVP ]

Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Gistii B-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Heat Sink II
Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Adaptive Nano Plating
Shadow Serpentis Thermic Plating
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Small Energy Locus Coordinator I (mainly to compensate for any Ishkur running TD)
Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Still a bit rough (and expensive, relative to the hull) at this stage but the important bits:

(All 5)

153dps @ 19.4+2.5 w/ Scorch
192dps @ 6.47+2.5 w/ Multi
214dps @ 6.47+2.5 w/ Conflag

6.93k EHP 64.5HP/s peak armour repair rate

348m/s (2297m/s MWD)

Cap Stable @ 36.9% (44.0% Scorch) with MWD, Disruptor & Guns

2m24s (3m13s Scorch) cap with MWD off, Repper & Nos on

The idea being anything that can't catch you, you can kite indefinitely and anything that can catch you you can hopefully outlast (as they'll need to be in scram range to do DPS you can use Scorch/Multi).

The big question is, in that range is is the repair and DPS enough to outlast the pursuer (not even taking in to account they can burn away from you and warp off). Most of the fits I've seen on Battleclinic with MWD+Scram appear not be up to the task, however that may not be saying much in present company. Interested to see what sort of fits that would be able to easily counter this setup, I'm assuming there would be a respectable amount.

EDIT: Of course, just as I finish typing this, I made a small modification to a Jag fit on Battleclinic to get this:


[Jaguar, Jaguar: was good now way better]

150mm Light AutoCannon II, Hail S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Hail S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Hail S
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I /OFFLINE

Medium Shield Extender II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Gistii B-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Small Projectile Burst Aerator II
Small Core Defence Field Extender I

Which can pull 230dps @ 1.01+4.13 while being cap stable speeding along at 2941m/s, 9.88k EHp & 37.7HP/s regen.

So yeah, that would be the Retribution pretty handily it seems.

Here's a Retribution focused on damage. If you've flown a Coercer before the changes to destroyer's. This set-up mirrors the old school Coercer in projected and applied damage. The ship has superior velocity and agility compared to a Coercer, with less tracking; multi-frequency 300 damage per second (heat), scorch 210 damage per second (240 heat).

There is a more well rounded set-up, with a small neutraliser and dual pulse lasers (less damage more tracking and defences). With that said. A Harpy mirrors the damage of the set-up below @ range. I've found the Harpy to be the most versatile assault ship. The Harpy and Enyo mirror each other performance close range @tleast with active defence set-ups. Mirrors the vengeance in terms of hit-points and mirrors the Retribution in terms of applied damage @ range. In fact, I prefer the Harpy > Retribution (@ every range).


Retribution
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Co-Processor II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
[empty high slot]

Small Energy Burst Aerator II
Small Algid Energy Administrations Unit I


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