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Best Solo PvP Ships? (Vet Returning to Play)
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#21 - 2012-01-27 18:13:50 UTC
Cloaky Vagabond. It is very easy to only ever engage on your terms only with it. You just have to watch out for EWAR ships. Rapier/Huginn/Curse especially will mess you up.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#22 - 2012-01-27 18:30:21 UTC
My solo ship of choice would be either a Talos or a Harpy - though I'd certainly be willing to entertain an Ishtar or Stabber Fleet.

Talos: I've been engaging pretty heavy gangs with it and had great luck killing them until they get tired of it and just run away. Examples here: http://vimeo.com/34665420, http://vimeo.com/35131824

Harpy: I've been engaging really heavy gangs with the Harpy and had fantastic luck ******* people up. I've taken everything from inties and AFs to BCs solo with it. Last night I took a Vagabond on a gate with it. Its just got a fantastic tank. Examples are above, and also http://vimeo.com/35642474

Ishtar: The recent speed and agility boosts gave me back the old school nano Ishtar. I haven't put it to use but the numbers are there to support it and I've flown it before. Definitely sexy looking. :)

SFI: Your standard fare of killing people. Don't fly it like a Vaga.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#23 - 2012-01-27 18:40:51 UTC
Suyer wrote:
They don't really expect you to jump into their camp and then burn away from them and watch them warp off since you're 40km away and can't keep a point on anything.


Fixed that for you.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#24 - 2012-01-27 18:43:45 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Suyer wrote:
They don't really expect you to jump into their camp and then burn away from them and watch them warp off since you're 40km away and can't keep a point on anything.


Fixed that for you.


Buy better points.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#25 - 2012-01-27 18:50:14 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Suyer wrote:
They don't really expect you to jump into their camp and then burn away from them and watch them warp off since you're 40km away and can't keep a point on anything.


Fixed that for you.


Buy better points.

-Liang


Buy a Lachesis?

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
The Masia
Transshipment
#26 - 2012-01-27 18:57:00 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
My solo ship of choice would be either a Talos or a Harpy - though I'd certainly be willing to entertain an Ishtar or Stabber Fleet.

Talos: I've been engaging pretty heavy gangs with it and had great luck killing them until they get tired of it and just run away. Examples here: http://vimeo.com/34665420, http://vimeo.com/35131824

Harpy: I've been engaging really heavy gangs with the Harpy and had fantastic luck ******* people up. I've taken everything from inties and AFs to BCs solo with it. Last night I took a Vagabond on a gate with it. Its just got a fantastic tank. Examples are above, and also http://vimeo.com/35642474

Ishtar: The recent speed and agility boosts gave me back the old school nano Ishtar. I haven't put it to use but the numbers are there to support it and I've flown it before. Definitely sexy looking. :)

SFI: Your standard fare of killing people. Don't fly it like a Vaga.

-Liang


I like your Harpy setup. I made similar, but tossed a Light Neutron Blaster II in one slot being I had the space as opposed to all Ion's.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#27 - 2012-01-27 19:01:13 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Suyer wrote:
They don't really expect you to jump into their camp and then burn away from them and watch them warp off since you're 40km away and can't keep a point on anything.


Fixed that for you.


Buy better points.

-Liang


Buy a Lachesis?


I own one. Now if I can just convince someone to bring a big enough gang to Ama that I can field it...

:)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#28 - 2012-01-27 19:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Merin Ryskin
Liang Nuren wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Suyer wrote:
They don't really expect you to jump into their camp and then burn away from them and watch them warp off since you're 40km away and can't keep a point on anything.


Fixed that for you.


Buy better points.

-Liang


Ok, so you have a faction point and an alt running a tackle range gang link (which is still "solo" somehow), so you're up to 55km. Too bad you're still slow and have the agility of a titan, so you're still not going to catch anything that doesn't want to be caught. That's the fatal problem with the 100mn kite Tengu, you're only going to kill anything if you find targets that are stupid enough to just sit there and die.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#29 - 2012-01-27 19:04:40 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:

Ok, so you have a faction point and an alt running a tackle range gang link (which is still "solo" somehow), so you're up to 55km. Too bad you're still slow and have the agility of a titan, so you're still not going to catch anything that doesn't want to be caught. That's the fatal problem with the 100mn kite Tengu, you're only going to kill anything if you find targets that are stupid enough to just sit there and die.


Sure, everyone listen to Merin. Her EFT numbers are impeccable. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#30 - 2012-01-27 19:06:14 UTC
Fara'a wrote:
..another one trying to solo a MMORPG What?

So UT3 Deathmatches arent' MMOGs? Straight Damn, I've always thought I was killing humans...

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
The Masia
Transshipment
#31 - 2012-01-27 19:48:32 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:

Ok, so you have a faction point and an alt running a tackle range gang link (which is still "solo" somehow), so you're up to 55km. Too bad you're still slow and have the agility of a titan, so you're still not going to catch anything that doesn't want to be caught. That's the fatal problem with the 100mn kite Tengu, you're only going to kill anything if you find targets that are stupid enough to just sit there and die.


Sure, everyone listen to Merin. Her EFT numbers are impeccable. :)

-Liang


Hows this look in comparison to your Harpy? This Wolf should have more DPS and a really good tank.

[Wolf, Solo PvP]

150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Warp Scrambler II

Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Gyrostabilizer II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Suyer
Half Empty
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#32 - 2012-01-27 20:29:40 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Suyer wrote:
They don't really expect you to jump into their camp and then burn away from them and watch them warp off since you're 40km away and can't keep a point on anything.


Fixed that for you.


Buy better points.

-Liang


Ok, so you have a faction point and an alt running a tackle range gang link (which is still "solo" somehow), so you're up to 55km. Too bad you're still slow and have the agility of a titan, so you're still not going to catch anything that doesn't want to be caught. That's the fatal problem with the 100mn kite Tengu, you're only going to kill anything if you find targets that are stupid enough to just sit there and die.


Clearly you've never flown a 100mn AB tengu. Also, i never said that running with a skirmish link loki was solo, I just said it's an option to fly by yourself and be able to fight groups of players.

Point range is roughly 53km with an overloaded republic fleet point. Web range is 27km overloaded with a fed navy web. You go ~3200m/s overloaded. As long as you have a brain and understand how to manually fly your ship, nobody will get away from you and anybody who doesn't want to be caught will be in for a big surprise when you point him at 53km. This is based on personal experience.

The ship really isn't for flying around ganking targets anyway, if you're flying it that way, you're doing it wrong. It excels in baiting and then fighting groups of players.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#33 - 2012-01-27 20:33:29 UTC
The Masia wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:

Ok, so you have a faction point and an alt running a tackle range gang link (which is still "solo" somehow), so you're up to 55km. Too bad you're still slow and have the agility of a titan, so you're still not going to catch anything that doesn't want to be caught. That's the fatal problem with the 100mn kite Tengu, you're only going to kill anything if you find targets that are stupid enough to just sit there and die.


Sure, everyone listen to Merin. Her EFT numbers are impeccable. :)

-Liang


Hows this look in comparison to your Harpy? This Wolf should have more DPS and a really good tank.

[Wolf, Solo PvP]

150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Warp Scrambler II

Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Gyrostabilizer II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I


I'd be really surprised if it was competitive.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#34 - 2012-01-27 21:22:10 UTC
The Masia wrote:

Hows this look in comparison to your Harpy? This Wolf should have more DPS and a really good tank.

[Wolf, Solo PvP]

150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Warp Scrambler II

Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Gyrostabilizer II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I


You do know that T2 plate + ACR is basically the worst thing ever, right? Use a meta 4 (rolled tungsten) and double damage rigs in the low slots.

Comparing to a Blarpy:


  • Tank: Wolf has 12k EHP; Harpy has 17k EHP, plus 75 DPS passive tank
  • Damage: Wolf has 262 DPS (mitigated to ~190 because of Harpy passive tank); Harpy has 220 DPS
  • Range: Wolf has 0.675+8.25 (Barrage is 1.35+12.4); Harpy has 2.43+3.25 (Null is 6.79+4.55)
  • Speed: Wolf has 911 m/s (if you use a T2 AB); Harpy has 835 m/s


So yeah, I don't see the Wolf chewing through the extra 5k EHP while doing less effective damage. Sorry!

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Greybush Threepwood
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-01-27 21:46:52 UTC
So basically, the harpy is going to get hybrids nerfed. Twisted
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#36 - 2012-01-27 21:52:37 UTC
I've been told (repeatedly) that I am going to get the Harpy and/or Hybrids nerfed. I wouldn't worry about it though - all the EFT warriors tell me all that I'm doing is impossible. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Kagan Storm
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-01-27 21:58:04 UTC
Super cap + cyno alt tacler. game over. Bear

My ego is the the size of my carriers jump range.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#38 - 2012-01-27 21:58:24 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I've been told (repeatedly) that I am going to get the Harpy and/or Hybrids nerfed. I wouldn't worry about it though - all the EFT warriors tell me all that I'm doing is impossible. :)

-Liang

A whole alliance of people hasn't managed to get the cloaky Vagabond nerfed, I strongly doubt one person is going to get the blaster Harpy nerfed.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
The Masia
Transshipment
#39 - 2012-01-27 22:48:17 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I've been told (repeatedly) that I am going to get the Harpy and/or Hybrids nerfed. I wouldn't worry about it though - all the EFT warriors tell me all that I'm doing is impossible. :)

-Liang


Your setup looks good in my EFT. I just hate carrying cap boosters in my cargo with frigs.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-01-28 17:41:50 UTC
Vile Coyote wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
Matter of taste. Like I said, Minmatar cruiser hulls are generally good for PVP. Loki included.

Out of curiosity, what hulls are you thinking about besides the Loki ?

Rupture is good for a T1, but not really a contender for "best solo pvp ship".
Stabber has a vague tackling niche.
Scythe and Bellicose are Scythe and Bellicose.
Rapier, Huginn, Scimitar, Broadsword do their job nicely, but not solo. Munnin might fit here too afaik.

That leaves Loki and Vaga ? What am I missing ?


You are correct about the ones you listed, but as others have mentioned there are also Hurricane and Cynabal - and since there is no "best" in EVE, there is no true contender for it anyway. ;)
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