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School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0
snugglebutt School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 0	#21 - 2011-09-14 05:36:20 UTC (Vaga, Vaga, Scimitar, Falcon, Sabre) x2

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Ernesto Che Guevara Defence Pack Likes received: 1	#22 - 2011-09-14 11:38:07 UTC 9x Hurricanes with dual LSE fitting and 1 medium shieldtransporter 1x Hurricane with dual LSE fitting, 1 medium shieldtransporter and the res-warfarelink

Lyris Nairn

Perkone

Caldari State

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#23 - 2011-09-14 14:11:19 UTC

Ernesto Che Guevara wrote:

9x Hurricanes with dual LSE fitting and 1 medium shieldtransporter
1x Hurricane with dual LSE fitting, 1 medium shieldtransporter and the res-warfarelink

Be better off with Energy Neutralizers than shield transporters; your average gang is not cohesive enough to spider tank.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Dark Pangolin

The Tuskers

The Tuskers Co.

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#24 - 2011-09-14 16:59:00 UTC

Lyris Nairn wrote:

Ernesto Che Guevara wrote:

9x Hurricanes with dual LSE fitting and 1 medium shieldtransporter
1x Hurricane with dual LSE fitting, 1 medium shieldtransporter and the res-warfarelink

Be better off with Energy Neutralizers than shield transporters; your average gang is not cohesive enough to spider tank.

Agreed, the spider shield tank works a lot better with Drakes anyway. Battle Tested! 2 Major downsides No-Mobility (gotta stay in a ball 8km range on transporters) and Low DP

In all the field tests we did you can stand toe to toe with a similarly sized BS fleet (i.e. 10 Drakes vs 10 Megas)...but you cant really kill them fast enough before someone makes a mistake and gets out of rep range or something like that.

The Spider repping in PVP also doesn't scale well...up to 10 well experienced organized pilots can handle it...but the more pilots the less organization...

Ka Jolo

The Tuskers

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#25 - 2011-09-14 17:56:19 UTC

For any of the gangs given above, I easily thought of a 10-ship gang that could easily defeat it.

Next, I thought of a 10-ship gang that could easily defeat my proposed counter-gang.

Then a great 10-ship counter to the gang that would defeat my first proposed gang countering the original gang.

Hence the "rock-paper-scissors" model of EVE spaceships.

My own experience suggests that the "rock-paper-scissors" model works in perfect conjunction with Murphy's Law, such that for a given ship fit or gang composition, I will encounter the ship or gang that seems custom-built to kill me, rather than the ship or gang I was hoping to run into.

Aliastra Gallente Federation 146
Satav Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 146	#26 - 2011-09-14 17:56:53 UTC hmmm Avatar Avatar Avatar Avatar Avatar Avatar Avatar Avatar Avatar Avatar. lol On the serious side. 1 Gang legion 4 legions 3 guardians 1 sacrilege 1curse sry. but amarr are king in pvp. despite what anyone thinks.

Physical Peak

Perkone

Caldari State

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#27 - 2011-09-14 18:13:05 UTC

Satav wrote:

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Avatar. lol

On the serious side.

1 Gang legion
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sry. but amarr are king in pvp. despite what anyone thinks.

What's the point of an uber defensive <10 ship gang? Small gangs should be fast and dynamic, not whales. You won't be able to catch your prey let alone kill them, and another 10 ship fleet would just laugh and leave you miles behind.

Calamitous-Intent 454
Red Teufel Calamitous-Intent Likes received: 454	#28 - 2011-09-14 21:37:46 UTC give a limit by isk so we can come up with a cost effecient gang that owns ;)

Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 2,205
Jude Lloyd Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic Likes received: 2,205	#29 - 2011-09-14 21:42:28 UTC 2 Rook Rook Cynabal Cynabal Rapier Scimi Scimi Curse Vaga Bonus Loki Tactics: Shield Nano Gang I'm back!

Jude Lloyd

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

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#30 - 2011-09-14 21:43:38 UTC

Lyris Nairn wrote:

Ernesto Che Guevara wrote:

9x Hurricanes with dual LSE fitting and 1 medium shieldtransporter
1x Hurricane with dual LSE fitting, 1 medium shieldtransporter and the res-warfarelink

Be better off with Energy Neutralizers than shield transporters; your average gang is not cohesive enough to spider tank.

Yeah spider tanking canes isnt going to help much in the heat of a fight.

I'm back!

Doomheim 139
Amsterdam Conversations Doomheim Likes received: 139	#31 - 2011-09-15 12:24:35 UTC The usage of ECM is really a good indicator of PVP skill. 1 falcon, 2 falcons or 2 rooks in a 10 man gang. Seriously? In before "it's for engaging those stupid 2x to 5x numbers. Also in before my fleet couldn't break a single Scimitar RR.


Jude Lloyd Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic Likes received: 2,205	#32 - 2011-09-15 16:53:23 UTC Amsterdam Conversations wrote: The usage of ECM is really a good indicator of PVP skill. 1 falcon, 2 falcons or 2 rooks in a 10 man gang. Seriously? In before "it's for engaging those stupid 2x to 5x numbers. Also in before my fleet couldn't break a single Scimitar RR. You're an idiot. I'm back!

W0wbagger

Immortalis Inc.

Shadow Cartel

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#33 - 2011-09-15 17:04:28 UTC

Amsterdam Conversations wrote:

The usage of ECM is really a good indicator of PVP skill.

1 falcon, 2 falcons or 2 rooks in a 10 man gang. Seriously?

In before "it's for engaging those stupid 2x to 5x numbers. Also in before my fleet couldn't break a single Scimitar RR.

2 rooks contribute 400 or so nice ranged and selectable dps to the gang each, might scare people off, a bit but I don't see a problem in their usage - falcon obviously is just ecm in this context but rook is a decent gang ship

Amsterdam Conversations

Doomheim

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#34 - 2011-09-15 17:20:22 UTC | Edited by: Amsterdam Conversations

Jude Lloyd wrote:

Amsterdam Conversations wrote:

You're an idiot.

Rook/Falcon will put your fleet into one of two categories: The first one being ganking ships or little gangs, the second one being blobbed to **** and not fighting at all.

If you want to do really really enjoyable and somewhat skillful small gang PVP, yeah, use ECM ships. Make sure to also laugh at those 5 people you killed for being ****.

Oh and that also said, I don't mind them being used when actually fighting outnumbered by two times your own fleet or more.


Red Teufel Calamitous-Intent Likes received: 454	#35 - 2011-09-15 18:25:47 UTC Sin x2 Falcon Rapier Arazu 5x stealth bombers - This will ruin anyone's day 4x spider tank domi 3x canes Huggin Rook Phobos -can take on a much larger fleet but the FC needs to know when to call the huggin & rook off/on the field.

Bregan D'aerthe. 13
Tar Omrir Bregan D'aerthe. Likes received: 13	#36 - 2011-09-16 18:59:59 UTC 1x scout and prober 3x Scimitars 6x Tengus dps oriented Tar Omrir, Chairman, Cygnus Industries

Oblivion Watch HYDRA RELOADED 68
SaltyandSweet Oblivion Watch HYDRA RELOADED Likes received: 68	#37 - 2011-09-17 11:58:51 UTC 2x guardian 3X alpha web lokis 3x absolutions 1X damnation with armor links and target painter. 1X lachesis. The tears this produces in local is omnomnomnom. Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE!

Suleiman Shouaa

The Tuskers

The Tuskers Co.

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#38 - 2011-09-17 14:35:50 UTC

Amsterdam Conversations wrote:

Jude Lloyd wrote:

Amsterdam Conversations wrote:

You're an idiot.

This is true. That gang setup has 3 "dedicated" DPS boats - 2 Cynabals and a Vagabond. That's it, although the other ships do provide some DPS. Issue is that (most) 10 man gangs won't engage and those that will fight, will bring enough that

A) You won't be able to jam everything that can hit you, e.g. Drakes
B) Rooks have crap tank, even with Logis repping them so they'll be forced off the field fairly quickly
C) Your low DPS for that gang size will take an age to kill anything and will have very little chance of breaking through even a pair of Scimitars or such.

TBH I find ECM just plain ruins fights, even if it's on your side. And when it won't ruin fights (heavily outnumbered typically), it has too little an effect.

AQUILA INC 484
Gibbo3771 AQUILA INC Likes received: 484	#39 - 2011-09-17 17:56:21 UTC pfft, 8 drakes, stilleto and solo scimi

The Scope Gallente Federation 320
Theodoric Darkwind The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 320	#40 - 2011-09-19 21:07:56 UTC Avatar Erebus Leviathan Ragnarok (gotta get all the command ship bonuses in there) Nyx Nyx Aeon Aeon Wyvern Wyvern amidoinitrite