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[Sadface] for my Dramiel and other faction frigates
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Guillaume Adoulin
Overclocker.
#1 - 2012-01-24 12:18:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Guillaume Adoulin
Was looking over the patch notes, and it looks like the new AF's are gonna outclass faction frigates by quite a bit.Sad. Oh well WTB Wolf
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#2 - 2012-01-24 12:25:54 UTC
Thank goodness that Dramiels are finally going to put in their place
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-24 12:28:20 UTC
So, back to the T1-> Faction -> T2 progression again for Friggies?

Awesome Smile
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#4 - 2012-01-24 12:28:41 UTC
You probably should not bring up the Dramiel if you want sympathy. P
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-24 12:32:34 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Thank goodness that Dramiels are finally going to put in their place


Only if they get caught.

They are still interceptor agile, and fast as ****.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-01-24 12:35:57 UTC
Guillaume Adoulin wrote:
Was looking over the patch notes, and it looks like the new AF's are gonna outclass faction frigates by quite a bit.Sad. Oh well WTB Wolf


I wouldn't cry about rain before I see it, but I for once, I'm going to start using frigates for pvp.
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
#7 - 2012-01-26 17:49:12 UTC
Seems to me the pirate frigs will be the go between for Ceptors and AF's instead of replacing either one. They have some of the strengths of both. Dram still does good DPS and is still fast in the handles of a capable pilot.
Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
#8 - 2012-01-27 00:22:06 UTC
Dramiels got a small nerf, blasters got a big buff, so indirectly, probably the second most popular solo-roam frig hunter - the taranis - could already go after and probably kill MSE Dramiels that had no web, something that only a DD could claim pre-patch.

The new ASs are simply a class of their own in Frig PVP. Did not fly one other than a MSB Harpy I already had for a test run vs. a friend's Vengeance yesterday, but it seems that very few frigs other than other ASs can come even close to beat these ships - unless we are talking bad (i mean unsuccessful-brilliant-experimental) fits and/or different class of pilots together.

What would kill a Dramiel (and any other frig) before, is still exceptionally viable against ASs...bad news is, that these "Solutions" are not open for most frigs, as we would need a combination of at least two of: drones / med+ neuts / web / good tracking / proper dmg type to start chewing through them.

Good news is, that prices for the popular faction frigates will go down, and it's not like those will be useless now.
ASs were extremely underused, so Dramiels weren't looking for those to get kills anyways...
There still be other T1, faction and light T2 frigs out there for you to fight...

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell

Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-27 02:13:48 UTC
Faction frigs will still get a lot of use in FW plexes.

And I wouldnt be sad if the Dram was never used again. So tired of seeing it everywhere. Variety is a good thing.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#10 - 2012-01-27 03:46:19 UTC
Cross faction should stay ahead of T2 just like all other class ships. That is my 2 cents.

Still love the worm.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#11 - 2012-01-27 03:54:48 UTC
Faction/pirate frigates have always been intended as a cross between interceptors and AFs.

You'll notice that, relative to most pirate frigs, AFs are giant bricks.
Almah Jesper
#12 - 2012-01-27 04:05:42 UTC
Change is good.

Honestly, i'd be thrilled to never see another dram, drake, hurricane, cynabal, rifter, etc. ever again.

If AFs really are to become the great scourge people predict, i'll just spend more time flying the cruisers that eat them alive. Caracal stealth buff?
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#13 - 2012-01-27 04:09:21 UTC
Almah Jesper wrote:
Change is good.

Honestly, i'd be thrilled to never see another dram, drake, hurricane, cynabal, rifter, etc. ever again.

If AFs really are to become the great scourge people predict, i'll just spend more time flying the cruisers that eat them alive. Caracal stealth buff?


A Caracal will honestly be crushed by an assault ship now, they had the dps / tank to beat those before the buff. Now... Shocked

Ruptures on the other hand...

Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!
Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#14 - 2012-01-27 04:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahrieman
Dorian Tormak wrote:
Almah Jesper wrote:
Change is good.

Honestly, i'd be thrilled to never see another dram, drake, hurricane, cynabal, rifter, etc. ever again.

If AFs really are to become the great scourge people predict, i'll just spend more time flying the cruisers that eat them alive. Caracal stealth buff?


A Caracal will honestly be crushed by an assault ship now, they had the dps / tank to beat those before the buff. Now... Shocked

Ruptures on the other hand...


TBH, if you are flying one of the more OP AF's, cruisers pretty much don't stand a chance unless they are set up specifically to kill you. And even then...

AF's can still be beat by faction frigs, it's just really tough.
http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3362

Solo Rifter since 2009
Skelee VI
Appetite 4 Destruction
#15 - 2012-01-27 17:43:15 UTC
The solo dram may disappear but I think in small gangs they are still viable option. I use an insta lock one, quite nice for gatecamps etc.

A well fit cruiser can still take out most AF's, just takes a bit longer which usally brings his friends into play.

I am surprised I haven't seen any AF gangs n 0.0. Old habits i guess.
ROXGenghis
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-01-27 20:42:12 UTC
Here's a good analysis of the new AF's:

bloggy
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#17 - 2012-01-27 20:46:57 UTC
Dorian Tormak wrote:
Almah Jesper wrote:
Change is good.

Honestly, i'd be thrilled to never see another dram, drake, hurricane, cynabal, rifter, etc. ever again.

If AFs really are to become the great scourge people predict, i'll just spend more time flying the cruisers that eat them alive. Caracal stealth buff?


A Caracal will honestly be crushed by an assault ship now, they had the dps / tank to beat those before the buff. Now... Shocked

Ruptures on the other hand...


I wouldn't hesitate to engage a Rupture.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-01-27 21:09:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Darthewok
I think AFs may outclass Empire Faction Frigates (Comet, Firetail, Hookbill, Slicer) by a bit, but Pirate Faction Frigates (Dramiel, Daredevil, Cruor, Worm, Succubus) are still better or competitive.

Compare Comet to Ishkur, Firetail to Jaguar, Hookbill to Hawk and Slicer to Retribution.
They look like almost the same ships save for 1-2 more slots, less drones, more CPU and PG on the AF, faster speed on the faction frigs, and minor differences in ship bonuses.
This is fine because they can play the role of cheaper but faster versions of AFs, between interceptor and AF speed.
They also require lower SP than AFs so they can be the natural transition for new players from T1 frigates.

Unlike the Empire Faction frigs, the pirate frigates have no direct comparisons with AFs and so maintain their niche roles.
For example, Dramiel is Dramiel, Cruor is Cruor, there is no equivalent among AFs.

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#19 - 2012-01-27 21:16:58 UTC
I don't agree.. AFs totally eclipse the Dram, Worm, and Succubus. The Daredevil and Cruor both have 90% webs and thus still retain some niche utility. Empire faction frigs are utterly outclassed by AFs.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-01-27 21:17:00 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Thank goodness that Dramiels are finally going to put in their place


Only if they get caught.

They are still interceptor agile, and fast as ****.


No they're faster than any interceptor and thats a role breaker
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