Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I might be falling for a troll here... but I'll respond as if you're serious:

Bubbles are only a null-sec phenomena, and they are an important part of nullsec. Bubbles, and bubblers, are the only tools to catch and hold supercapitals. They are commonly employed tactically to entrap fleets, to inhibit your enemies, and control the starting range of engagements. They are also well-balanced, in the fact they effect both friends and allies, anchored warp bubbles take time significant time to setup, and warp fields/probes can only be used by tactically important ships. To remove bubbles from the game would eliminate two entire classes of ships (Interdictors and Heavy Interdictors), and would require a huge change to tackling supercaps. Understanding bubble mechanics and what ships have the ability to bubble is important knowledge needed to operate in nullsec.

As for your empire navy ships and turrets.... That's for empire life... nullsec is devoid of ALL Caldari/Gallente/Amar/Rustbucket presence. The idea of nullsec is that the only rules and consequences there are the rules and consequences you can enforce... In null, we don't want NPC's protect the gates, we want no-holds-bar make your own empire life!!

It's obvious that this is your first experience with bubbles. Go do some research before you come here and claim "overpowered."

1.) There's nothing tactical or strategic about limiting the traffic into and out of the systems you control?? I certainly believe there is, and if you can't stop them at the gate, there's really no other method to limit the traffic! Gate camps, however annoying, are important... and bubbles play a significant role in their effectiveness.

2.) By limiting the placement of bubbles from on top of gates, are you suggesting a HIC or DIC can't place their bubbles over a gate either? If you are, this would severely nerf one of the primary applications of these ships.

3.) "This could easily be achieved by adding a configurable percent distance in the context menu under the "warp to within" command. But atm, a simple workaround is to fit something that drains a lot of cap, like a large shield booster. That will limit the amount of energy available for warping and cause you to stop short- same idea."
-- I don't understand this comment, and it makes me question whether you understand bubble mechanics. Let me explain them, so we are both coming from the same place.

Bubbles have two major mechanics:
1.) Anything within the bubble cannot warp or cyno out of the bubble (the exception is interdiction nullified t3s).
2.) No matter what range you warp to a destination, if there is an on-grid bubble inline with your warp vector, your ship will exit its warp at the edge of the bubble rather than your intended destination.

With these two attributes, bubbles have numerous tactical uses.

Finally, I'd like to point out that bubbling a gate is also used defensively. By bubbling the entrance to your system, your miners and ratters have significantly more time to warp to safety when a hostile enters system... as the hostile typically needs to first fly beyond the edge of your bubbles before they can warp to a belt.

I don't understand what you were trying to suggest with your cap dumping workaround, so please explain it to me.

But letting in a person who wants to mission or mine would allow ten people who want to cyno, gank ratters, camp JBs and generally kill people in. Why would anyone want to do that?

Bubbles are fine. If you want to get rid of them, suggest a way to stop people getting through gates, to hold down fleets and to tackle supercaps.

I put up quite a bit in market orders in Nullsec NPC. Scouts, JF's, blockade runners, interdiction nullified t3's, and BO portals are all tricks I utilize to move goods with different level's of risk. Are bubbles powerful... YES. But navigating them isn't that hard... there are lots of options and tools available to circumvent them.

I am guessing you took your hulk directly through the first nullsec gate you found.

If you have a cloaky ship, or just a really fast frigate bubbles are beatable.

But yeah bubbles are part of the risk of going into nullsec. My advice would be to find some friends, get a fleet together, and fight you way into some NPC null, or join some people hwo already live there and ask them how to get some mining done.

Or you could start off in lowsec where there are gate guns and no bubbles.

Earth and Beyond called. They want their carebear back!!

Bubbles don't stop any of that. You have to camp gate with either a really fast tackler or a HIC with an anti-warp sphere in order to stop people who jump in. That's even worse than bubbles but, my OP is about the bubbles they put 85 km behind the gates which cause you to fly through the gate and stop inside the bubble. It's as if it hacks my ships warp drive computer and changes the gates location coordinates.

0.0 != Empire

Right, and other peoples' sub entitles them to put up bubbles and gank clueless newbies who wander into nullsec space with no idea how it works.

EVE is a sandbox - one where other people will come and kick over your sandcastle unless you can stop them.
The best way I've seen it phrased so far is: "EVE is a sandbox filled with landmines"