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Tractor Yellow Wrecks
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Pidgeon Saissore
Tyrant's
#21 - 2012-01-27 06:16:08 UTC
At the very least there should be a permanent whitelist that you can enable to essentially behave as if always fleeted to you, allowing them to take from wrecks and tractor. Also salvaging from an owned wreck should provoke aggression the same as looting someone else's wreck
HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-01-27 08:28:34 UTC
Pidgeon Saissore wrote:
At the very least there should be a permanent whitelist that you can enable to essentially behave as if always fleeted to you, allowing them to take from wrecks and tractor. Also salvaging from an owned wreck should provoke aggression the same as looting someone else's wreck


Lets make a partial agreement here. How about CCP exstends the duration of wrecks from 2hrs to 3. If the original owner hasn't claimed the wreck within the first 2 hrs, then it turn blue for anyone to be free to take both loot and salvage as well as be able to tractor it with no aggression.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2012-01-27 09:55:59 UTC
Oh god, the amount of misunderstanding and lack of knowledge just hurts… Lol

Anyway: what is this suggestion supposed to achieve?
Kadar Ladesh
Ladesh Industries
#24 - 2012-01-27 10:06:46 UTC
Just a quick reply, and i have not read all the other replies, and i am kinda biased against it, but.

This seems that it would give anyone with a spare throwaway PvP ship and a noctis quite a load of income, ninja salvaging is already quite unbalanced income wise - Little to Zero risk and quite a bit of profit, and this just makes the process 1000x faster for the true "PvP" Salvagers.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#25 - 2012-01-27 12:01:54 UTC
Bears think tractoring yellow wrecks is designed to hurt them. They are unaware that currently there are massive fleet battles out in low sec with 1000's of wrecks taht need tractoring but sadly for some DUMB ass reason CCP won't let us clear our systems up.
Kadar Ladesh
Ladesh Industries
#26 - 2012-01-27 12:32:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Kadar Ladesh
If you are in those massive fleet battles, i am sure you are quite capable of simple "Abandon Wreck" commands, and shooting those that would steal from you - assuming you secure the area before looting.

But perhaps a better option is to make tractor requirements based on corporation standings, that way those that 'own' the wrecks can share them with ease.

Bears are people too.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#27 - 2012-01-27 14:00:48 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Kadar Ladesh wrote:
If you are in those massive fleet battles, i am sure you are quite capable of simple "Abandon Wreck" commands, and shooting those that would steal from you - assuming you secure the area before looting.

But perhaps a better option is to make tractor requirements based on corporation standings, that way those that 'own' the wrecks can share them with ease.

Bears are people too.

Wrecks of destroyed ships are owned by the person who owned the ship not the person who destroyed them.

Edit: Inappropriate part removed, CCP Phantom.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#28 - 2012-01-27 14:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Kadar Ladesh wrote:
If you are in those massive fleet battles, i am sure you are quite capable of simple "Abandon Wreck" commands, and shooting those that would steal from you - assuming you secure the area before looting.

But perhaps a better option is to make tractor requirements based on corporation standings, that way those that 'own' the wrecks can share them with ease.

Bears are people too.

Wrecks of destroyed ships are owned by the person who owned the ship not the person who destroyed them.



But the killer gets tractor rights so stfu.

yet again make all wrecks tractorable there exists zero reason for the current inability to not tractor yellow wrecks, it makes zero sense.
Kadar Ladesh
Ladesh Industries
#29 - 2012-01-27 14:33:28 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
yet again make all wrecks tractorable there exists zero reason for the current inability to not tractor yellow wrecks, it makes zero sense.

What do you mean, sense in a gameplay way, or more the lore side of thing?

As for lore - things are easily made up, lets say, you require your unique weapons fire signature for the tractors to lock on properly.

For gameplay, we really can't have people stealing so easily, at least in highsec, YES, i know, i am a carebear, so are many others, as i said, bears are people too - BUT, putting that aside, this makes so called... grieving 100x easier for people, defending your 'loot' becomes impossibly hard as they just need to warp in, tractor at insane ranges and speeds, and steal things at their leisure. At the least without tractoring, they have to be in close, where you have a warp in on them, or can shoot them out of the sky, making it free for all just removes a good portion of the risk of stealing.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#30 - 2012-01-27 15:09:48 UTC
Yellow wrecks should be tractorable! period, it makes no sense to them being other way.

Also i have been able to defeat 2 pvp fits on a pve ship on the same fight... of course... i was on a Rokh vs a sb and a lachescis... and i just sort of tanked them and keep playing with drones until they had to warp away.

PVE ships if FITTED very properly can do both PVE and PVP at same time properly.. but most of time this involves using cap boosters and the like... which carebears dont know how to handle.

and yes give criminal flag to those that tractor yellow wrecks, we need more pew pew in high sec and i will LOVE to shoot at ppl or get shoot by people.
HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-01-27 17:14:43 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
Yellow wrecks should be tractorable! period, it makes no sense to them being other way.

Also i have been able to defeat 2 pvp fits on a pve ship on the same fight... of course... i was on a Rokh vs a sb and a lachescis... and i just sort of tanked them and keep playing with drones until they had to warp away.

PVE ships if FITTED very properly can do both PVE and PVP at same time properly.. but most of time this involves using cap boosters and the like... which carebears dont know how to handle.

and yes give criminal flag to those that tractor yellow wrecks, we need more pew pew in high sec and i will LOVE to shoot at ppl or get shoot by people.


Ok, thought of a really good compromise here.

Personally, it is too unbalanced to allow other players to just come in and simply tractor all the wrecks in your mission.

Expecially with the introduction of the noctis, which at lvl 5 with t2 tractors has a range of 96km, and has a very fast cycle time on tractors and salvagers.

Now, I already specified my first comment which was to make wrecks last 3 hrs instead of 2 and for the last hr they become blue wrecks allowing anyone to take them. This is established like this because the corp that you are running missions for is actually who is in control of those wrecks, because they essentially sent you in to take over that mission area for them. So as a bonus reward they allow you to salvage all the wrecks. However, if you don't clean them up in a certain amount of time, then someone needs to, so they become blue for an hour.

However, the next part refers more to what you're suggesting. Your comments on being able to tractor wrecks seems to refer specifically to player wrecks and not npc wrecks.
So, when a player has a ship destroyed, the odds of them coming back to salvage it are next to none. Unless the ship was destroyed while running a mission, which is not very common at all.
So, with that in mind, I suggest that any time a player ship is wrecked, the wreck is actually marked as blue.
This is because we are all aware that 95% of the time the original pilot will not come back for the wreck.
HOWEVER, the person who wrecked the ship can't neccissarily claim ownership because it was never truly theres to begin with.
SOOO, any time a player ship is destroyed, the wreck is set as blue and it becomes a first come first serve situation and everyone is able to tractor it, loot it, and salvage it with no reprecussions.
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