Jita Park Speakers Corner

I actually wonder if it is possible to not have NPC corps. Does the game coding require everyone to be in some corp?

New players are always in an NPC corp, after all.

I agree they aren't safe, I've certainly died when in them. So point taken. It's all about balance in the end. The NPC corp discussion clearly will be very interesting!

Issler

I've started with a scatter gun approach to be sure. I just have a strong conviction a lot of players are not represented by the current power block focused CSM. The idea earlier of a slate of candidates working together with specific areas of focus is where I expect is us to converge.

I am serious about this and I hope others will join. There is no reason a minority of Eve should control the CSM. CSM6 has made it clear to a much larger audience that the CSM does affect CCP. For folks out there like myself the reject the notion that "null is the end game" (a sandbox by definition has no end game) and that CCP needs to hyperfocus on null.

I hope this is the way to make sure CSM7 makes CCP realize he majority of Eve could care less about supercaps and sov and would love something as simple as making mining better, keeping PvE fresh or making high sec more dynamic.

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason CSM 7 Candidate

Of, the trading comment. I am basing that more on things I used to see a lot of folks doing that I rarely hear about any more. In our corp we see steady stream of players new to Eve. Used to be a time when we'd see them get thier fist Badger ot Mammoth and grind goods between regions, being pretty satisfied with the isks that made at that stage of their life in Eve. I don't see that as much anymore.

Again, this is the sort of stuff that might very well be dropped from the focus of the party. Once we get going we should be able to figure out the "right" focus.

Thanks for contributing to the discussions already!

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 candidate

lol why is wis on the bottom of the list

So you're young to unite all those people but leave wormhole alliances out of it? So Much for that balance you proposed.

I'm going to address each section here and show you what consequences we have to deal with for not being in a Player corp.

Nowhere in the game description does it say we have to join a player corp or do PvP battle. It says we can join a player corp if we wanted to which would allow more opportunity in game. Being in an NPC corp, we're basically on my own, none of our corp mates can come help if someone in a player corp steals our loot. Even if fleeted with other players from the NPC corp before the aggression, only the gang leader or owner of the loot would be able to retaliate. Yet if we take the player corp loot, his whole corp can jump on us. I used to accept that as payment for being tax free, however we now pay tax which doesn't do anything for us.

Before anyone says it's payment for being WarDec free, no it's not. The no WarDec option is to protect player corps. If the WarDec option existed, us players in NPC corps would go on the warpath. Last time I checked, there was over 600 players in my NPC corp chat. The price of not being in a player corp is no access to POS. Because of that we have to deal with very long waiting times for most Science and Industry slots in high sec. We have to do a lot of searching and travel to find open slots. And yes I go into low sec too.

You talk about alt scouts hiding in NPC corps and doing RR. That's a problem with combat mechanics, not the NPC corp being active. If someone does RR, they should be flagged red and become part of the battle since they decided to get involved with the conflict. As for scouts, doesn't have to be in a NPC corp. Shouldn't matter anyway since this is supposed to be about high sec game mechanics.

As for not being active with other players, I already said I fleet with others when needed. I socialize with a lot of different players in various chat channels including local. As I said earlier, the major problem with being in NPC corp is we pay tax yet we can't do retaliation as a small gang if a gang member is aggressed while fleeted in high sec.


W-hole Alliances? Isn't W-Hole space the same as Null Sec or 0.0 Alliance space?

I might be mistaken but I thought the 'Voice Of Reason Party' was a platform for independent corps, single player PvE careers, Industrialists, RP and high sec game mechanics? If not then I better go find another party.

That might be Xorv's stance; it's the polar opposite of mine:

I'll tell one thing I'd like to see and why.

I would like the ability to delete skills I don't want. No refund. No trade. Just delete them.

Why you ask?

1) This is a sandbox game where we should have the means to make our own decisions and accept the consequences of them.

2) I have a lot of characters. Most of them are three to six years old. They're focused for the tasks I have set for them. The old character creator used to hand out about 800k SP willy nilly and it just irks me to look at these nicely focused characters and see a block of skills that I never wanted and will never use.

3) I'm just that anal guy who likes to see a nice skill board with only the skills I desire on it.

So... do you have any thoughts on this? Would you be interested in adding this small change to your platform?

Mr Epeen

Supported.

I've flirted with the idea of candidacy myself, but...meh: Politics, not my thing, it would seem.

E: I should clarify, supported in principle. Specific support/lack thereof depends on where candidates will stand on things like:

1) Actually fixing losec
2) Bringing the risky "safer, but never 100% safe" element back to hisec (and ideally, pushing for an end to pants-on-head stupidity like the now-legal dec-shielding exploit).