Jita Park Speakers Corner

Griefing is against the ToS so if you see somebody doing it you should report them.

It's made by someone with a number in their name. What do you expect?

Bottom line if PVP unlimited is so much fun why is it you PVPers don't just stay in Null and kill each other 23/7 365?

You don't often hear the High sec players whining that low and Null are too profitable and CCP should make it less, but you low sec wannabe hoodlums want CCP to funnel new supplies of players for you to blast at your cowardly gate camps. Yes gate camps are where a group of cowards hang out to ambush players they out number and cry like babies when the rare player escapes. I have respect for a player that will scan me down to get a chance for a kill mail he is hunting he is playing the game gate campers are like miners they want to shoot stuff that doesn't shoot back and make a lot of money I have no respect for cowards at all!

In terms of pirates ganking in high sec there should be a real punishment like getting immediately podded by gate or station guns for a significant period of time like 6 months for you and the alt that transports your fighting ships, meaning you'd have to stay out of high sec for 6 months or get podded.

What real insurance company would pay for a loss that happened during the commission of a crime? No insurance payouts for gankers period, in fact no insurance on any of your ships when you have a -5 and beyond sec status. Wanna be a pirate be a pirate all the way.

PVP unlimited is clearly not enough fun or profitable enough to support the numerous low brows engaging in it which is why they cry to CCP the loudest and the most often. If it's so great why do you have to try and force people to become ensnarled in your bloated alliances in Null?

If the people shouting the loudest for more PVP living in Null and everyone stayed red with no friendlies they would have all the shoot em up they could handle. But they want to have it both ways blue so they can have a safe haven far from their victims and red so they can protect themselves from their own tactics.

The real problem is Null has become too safe for the big alliances which is why they spill out into low and high sec looking for victims. Sadly because CCP so desperately wants big multi-ship battles they have to indulge the big spoiled child they have raised called alliances.

So when some newbie accidentally shoots someone else's can instead of a rat, it's 0.0/lowsec or get podded for 6 months?

Lord Zim you have been a player of EVE since February of 2005 ...... if you think "high sec ganking" is defined as accidentally shooting someone else's can then i have completely won this argument and you fail by having nothing better to respond with.

What I don't understand is this weird idea that Hi-Sec is in some way more profitable than Low-Sec. I like to mine so i do. What I mine is lower end ores that while they sell must be sold in huge quantities to make any real ISK. I have friends who do live and play in Null and we chat about how much more ISK they make then me all the time. So if Player A in Null makes vastly more than player B in Hi-Sec how is Hi-Sec some way more profitable than Null? I can mine veld and such all day while my Null sec friends rat in Null and run missions in Null and at the end of the day (We have compared) he makes 10 times what i make mining. Now this is ok with me as I enjoy doing what I do in Hi-Sec do to limited time to actually get on and play anymore. So where is the problem here. How is Null somehow so unprofitable. I lean towards the fact that in Null you lose ships at a far higher rate than I do which costs ISK to replace making your chosen play style unprofitable. Seems like choices to me. So if I don't PvP a ton, therefore retaining more of my profit margin I should somehow be derided for having good business sense!

Noe the ganking to me is not an issue as I see no inherent problem with myself as it is part of the wonderful system we call Eve. PvP should never disappear for the same reason, whether in Hi, Low, or Null. But the argument at times seems pretty ridiculous since the Eve Universe is plenty big enough for us to all play in. Add to that the fact that built into the game mechanics are career paths like mining, or hauling, or add your own and it seems funny to me that we all argue over how everyone else should play the game. I will agree that there needs to be changes across the board however, as the game does seem to stagnate a little at times.

I have lived in Hi-sec pretty much my entire time in eve (which I admit isn't all that long) and while I enjoy what I do on a personal level for me I am not a carebear. I am not a carebear because i would actually love to get out into Low and Null since I see it as an opportunity to learn a lot of new skills that i currently do not have. The problem arises however that griefers come along, do their thing for fun, but never come back to make an offer such as, "hey carebear would like to learn a little more about the "REAL" Eve"? I stuck with Eve because that is exactly what happened to me as a new player. I was playing for about 2 months when someone comes a long and can flips me. That was ok as I was learning and knew that **** happens, maybe I should be more careful in future. Flipper comes back and we start to chat. He began to teach me many more things about Eve that I never knew and we became friends. Problem most the time is that there is a disconnect. Most long time players want nothing to do with new players aside from showing them that "hey sometimes life in Eve sucks, get over it.

I like what was mentioned before in this post, show me why I should come out to Null and be a part of you and maybe you would get more willing to actually do it. Why all the bickering over who makes what where, present yourself in a way that makes someone want to be a part of what you, your corp, and alliance have.

I'm just glad that it's impossible to shoot docked people and fairly hard to bump them out of POS shields if they're trying to stay inside. Sometimes one gets caught in an industrial/rifter just as 20 people decide to bubble and camp the station.

I'm also glad for bubbles when we catch that one poor person in a drag bubble and get killmails from that one harasser who spent the last two hours running around trying to gank ratters.