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Issler Dainze for CSM7! Hear the bears roar!

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Einde
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-01-26 19:41:06 UTC
Osabojo wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:


Thats why no one should take GSF serius


agreed!!



Do not take us serius.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#22 - 2012-01-26 20:11:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Issler Dainze
So some additional clarification.

Low sec should be in there as well as WHs. As to how best represent the group I propose, once we have a slate of candidates we can refine our message and plans.

Here is a profile of the Eve pilot the VOR would represent.

Casual players, folks that don't have the time to commit to "serious" play styles for whatever reason. Folks looking for stress free space fun.

Independent pilots not interested in joining large alliances, folks that are in small corps or even just want to remain in an NPC corp.

Folks that prefer PvE over direct combat PvP.

Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining?

Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk.

Industrialist - we still have huge problems in production like T2 BPOs, Technetium monopolies and a host of other issues.

Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case.

WiS - so many of us wanted ambulation and the current CSM clearly fought to kill it dead. Someone on the next CSM clearly needs to champion the future of ambulation.

Basically, folks that don't think null is interesting to them and want to enjoy life in Eve in a more PvE or PvP in markets only manner.

Finally, this is just a place to start. I hope some other "bear" candidates will join this effort and we can develop the focus for a real attempt to get our views clealy represented in CSM7.

And the one celebrity that is the focus of an effort to draft him in CSM 7 would also be wonderful but I hope we don't count on that as our only plan.

So VOR candidates, join me in becoming the voice of the formally silent majority. We can be their voice when they scream in space!

Issler
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2012-01-26 20:25:36 UTC
Einde wrote:
Osabojo wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:


Thats why no one should take GSF serius


agreed!!



Do not take us serius.



seriuscat for CSM?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#24 - 2012-01-26 20:25:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Thats why no one should take GSF serius

Even we don't. But tears, now that is serious business.
Issler Dainze wrote:
We can be their voice when they stream in space!

Which streaming service do they use? I really want to see what they're up to.

Note: Though I might be too busy MINING IN NULL to go and gank them, doubtless some people will. Please link to internet steams of internet space miners.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Goonswarm Recruitment
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-01-26 20:27:47 UTC
Can I get a response to my plan regarding vorporn? Do you think vorporn on photobucket is helpful or would there be a better place for vorporn?
Deltor Griffith
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-01-26 20:36:33 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
So some additional clarification.

Low sec should be in there as well as WHs. As to how best represent the group I propose, once we have a slate of candidates we can refine our message and plans.

Here is a profile of the Eve pilot the VOR would represent.

Casual players, folks that don't have the time to commit to "serious" play styles for whatever reason. Folks looking for stress free space fun.

Independent pilots not interested in joining large alliances, folks that are in small corps or even just want to remain in an NPC corp.

Folks that prefer PvE over direct combat PvP.

Miners! When was the last time there was an interesting change in mining?

Low sec - a segment of the game that has been ignored forever! When I started I often mined in low sec, now no one mines in low sec because it just isn't worth the risk.

Industrialist - we still have huge problems in production like T2 BPOs, Technetium monopolies and a host of other issues.

Traders - there was a time when a person could make a living running trade. Seems to no longer be the case.

WiS - so many of us wanted ambulation and the current CSM clearly fought to kill it dead. Someone on the next CSM clearly needs to champion the future of ambulation.

Basically, folks that don't think null is interesting to them and want to enjoy life in Eve in a more PvE or PvP in markets only manner.

Finally, this is just a place to start. I hope some other "bear" candidates will join this effort and we can develop the focus for a real attempt to get our views clealy represented in CSM7.

And the one celebrity that is the focus of an effort to draft him in CSM 7 would also be wonderful but I hope we don't count on that as our only plan.

So VOR candidates, join me in becoming the voice of the formally silent majority. We can be their voice when they stream in space!

Issler


I'll run for CSM7 as a VOR representative. I've been playing this game off and on since release and have experienced everything from high-sec mining to null sec combat. I believe I can bring changes that keep the bears at heart. Like my post if you support me, and ask me any questions.

Deltor
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#27 - 2012-01-26 21:01:17 UTC
We will not be supporting candidates from large power blocks or with ties to large powerblocks. The point of VOR is to support the "little guy".

Issler
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#28 - 2012-01-26 22:02:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Issler Dainze wrote:
We will not be supporting candidates from large power blocks or with ties to large powerblocks. The point of VOR is to support the "little guy".

Wait I thought over here in GF/CFC were being oppressed by the evil Mittens who controls us mercilessly and makes us mine and totally doesn't give newbies free ships and fleet warriors millions out in reimbursements and makes us endlessly camp gates and I ran out of things. What else is supposed to happen here?

Anyway we're supposed to be being oppressed. As members of a massive swarm, we are indeed very small. Bees are small, but you must never bump the

EDIT: Oh right, we mine AND camp gates. That's just how hard we are worked here in the wild wild west of nullsec.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-01-26 22:09:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
As a VOR candidate running for CSM7 I will specifically address my stance on the aformentioned issues and how I will represent them.

Miners: By removing NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, highsec can no longer be flooded with minerals to the degree that only botted up NPC corp miners can. Trit and pye will only increase in value as supply decreases to meet demand. Ban NPC Corps.

Low-Sec: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, lowsec's 'safety' will increase in relation, making it more sensible for players to move there in a calculated risk/reward move. Ban NPC Corps.

Industrialists: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, industrialists will no longer have one option - to undercut thousands of other industrialists with max skills and max safety. By forcefully decreasing the supply, industrialists' work is valued more individually. Ban NPC Corps.

Traders: Traders benefit the most by banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually decable. Imagine the potential profit determined traders could make if the non-stop fleet of AFK autopiloting NPC freighters were made vulnerable. Ban NPC Corps.

WiS: Ban NPC Corps


Nicolo 2012
CSM VOR High Council
Ban NPC Corps
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#30 - 2012-01-26 22:21:22 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
...
Miners: By removing NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, ....

Low-Sec: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable,....

Industrialists: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable,....

Traders: Traders benefit the most by banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually decable......

WiS: Ban NPC Corps

I support this message whole heartedly. Please do not flip flop on this important issue that will decide the future of EVE as we know it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#31 - 2012-01-26 22:22:57 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
As a VOR candidate running for CSM7 I will specifically address my stance on the aformentioned issues and how I will represent them.

Miners: By removing NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, highsec can no longer be flooded with minerals to the degree that only botted up NPC corp miners can. Trit and pye will only increase in value as supply decreases to meet demand. Ban NPC Corps.

Low-Sec: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, lowsec's 'safety' will increase in relation, making it more sensible for players to move there in a calculated risk/reward move. Ban NPC Corps.

Industrialists: By banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually wardeccable, industrialists will no longer have one option - to undercut thousands of other industrialists with max skills and max safety. By forcefully decreasing the supply, industrialists' work is valued more individually. Ban NPC Corps.

Traders: Traders benefit the most by banning NPC Corps and making pilots individually decable. Imagine the potential profit determined traders could make if the non-stop fleet of AFK autopiloting NPC freighters were made vulnerable. Ban NPC Corps.

WiS: Ban NPC Corps


Nicolo 2012
CSM VOR High Council
Ban NPC Corps


Well, it is a start of a discussion about a potential VoR party plank. :-)

Could you clarify your position in NPC corps? Lol

Issler
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-01-26 22:37:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Issler Dainze wrote:
Could you clarify your position in NPC corps? Lol

I gathered that you dislike the Technetium monopoly of null alliances, right Issler?
Well how do you feel about the 0.0 logistics crew's NPC corp freighter alts under 100% wardec-proof CONCORD safety that haul in all that moon goo for you to pay out the nose for? And then load up said freighters with compressed minerals, minerals mined non-stop by NPC corp hulks I add, that flood the market making carebears like you sell their ore at a pittance. Not to mention eliminating the necessity of moving in casual, PvE types into 0.0 for stuff like manufacturing and mining in null. With NPC Corps pushing the margin of profit in easily accessed hisec ever lower due to lack of opposition, you just aren't needed or wanted in our space (beyond the status of a renter).
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#33 - 2012-01-26 23:36:37 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Could you clarify your position in NPC corps? Lol

I gathered that you dislike the Technetium monopoly of null alliances, right Issler?
Well how do you feel about the 0.0 logistics crew's NPC corp freighter alts under 100% wardec-proof CONCORD safety that haul in all that moon goo for you to pay out the nose for? And then load up said freighters with compressed minerals, minerals mined non-stop by NPC corp hulks I add, that flood the market making carebears like you sell their ore at a pittance. Not to mention eliminating the necessity of moving in casual, PvE types into 0.0 for stuff like manufacturing and mining in null. With NPC Corps pushing the margin of profit in easily accessed hisec ever lower due to lack of opposition, you just aren't needed or wanted in our space (beyond the status of a renter).



Actually I appologize for the flip remark. You do have a valid point to make.

Using NPC alts to make safer supply chain logisitcs are not in the spirit of Eve.

The issue is boting is bad m'kay. I am 100% behind removing the mechanisms that make it possible. Changes in NPC corps may be a part of solving the problem.

NPC corps and the issues they cause should be part of a healthy VoR party planks discussion.

The question really should be "what is an NPC corp intended to be"? Maybe NPC corp members are restricted in ship types of activities? Or some type of modification of war dec that removes the shield is the answer.

I don't claim to know how to solve the problem but I'd love to participate in a serious discussion of the issues.

I'll be setting up a SoV web site and forums in the next couple of days. We can set up a section for discussion of every proposed VoR plank there and decide the party postion.

Issler
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#34 - 2012-01-26 23:42:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Xorv
Issler Dainze wrote:

The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.

Miners
Industrialists
Traders
Small Corps
Independent players
High Sec
Low Sec
PvE
Casual Players
WiS


So, basically almost everyone in EVE. I count my own EVE experience in part all of those except Mining, Industry, and WiS. Perhaps you should look at some of my previous ideas for EVE and incorporate them into your Platform. Big smile

Speaking of NPC corps, I disagree that they should be removed, but agree they are a problem and should be changed. I think having all members of NPC corps automatically enlisted in Faction War would be a happy medium between keeping them as is and removing them altogether as suggested by Nicolo. Would also make High Sec a much more interesting place by having game lore impact players lives far more than it does atm... Sadly Lore/Roleplayers were left off your list Issler Sad
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#35 - 2012-01-26 23:57:49 UTC
Xorv wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.

Miners
Industrialists
Traders
Small Corps
Independent players
High Sec
Low Sec
PvE
Casual Players
WiS


So, basically almost everyone in EVE. I count my own EVE experience in part all of those except Mining, Industry, and WiS. Perhaps you should look at some of my previous ideas for EVE and incorporate them into your Platform. Big smile

Speaking of NPC corps, I disagree that they should be removed, but agree they are a problem and should be changed. I think having all members of NPC corps automatically enlisted in Faction War would be a happy medium between keeping them as is and removing them altogether as suggested by Nicolo. Would also make High Sec a much more interesting place by having game lore impact players lives far more than it does atm... Sadly Lore/Roleplayers were left off your list Issler Sad


Thanks for pointing out RP as missing! I absolutely think RP is very important to enjoyment of Eve for a lot of us (just look at the crazy back story for my corp and alliance)

I will add it as a VoR Plank!

Issler
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-01-27 00:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Issler Dainze wrote:
The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Voice of Reason Party". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support (but maybe not in the way you think).

The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.

Miners
Industrialists
Traders
Small Corps
Independent players
High Sec
Low Sec
PvE
Casual Players
WiS

Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.

So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to run supporting those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"

I am asking anyone who will be running to support this segment of Eve to declare themselves as part of the "Voice of Reason" party. We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to narrow the field to the best two candidates and refine our party planks using some "party voting" (method TBD) and then ask any that would support our party put their support behind the best of us. If we organize we could easily have the chair and another Iceland bound seat!

So "bears", will you join me in finding the right candidates, get our supporters energized and take back the CSM???

I will be putting considerable energy in getting folks from our party elected and those folks don't have to include me, lets find and elect the best!

Together we cannot be defeated!!

Issler Dainze
CSM 7 candidate
Member of the Voice of Reason Party



Issler Dainze, I salute your intentions and effort. I agree, the high sec group needs representation. You have my vote. It's a shame that this thread was blobbed by the opposition. Best to just ignore em.

Personally I think Low Sec should be removed from that list. The party should be comprised of 3 members. If elected, this would at least have 1/3rd of the CSM representing citizens in high security. The platform could be something like PvE, Industrial and Political.

PvE:
Missions
Incursions
Exploration
WiS

Industrial:
Mining & PI
Market & Trade
Invention & Production
Transport & Courier

Political:
NPC Corp Members
Independent Player Corps
Role Playing & Lore Content
High Security Game Mechanics

Each member should be knowledgeable or highly active in the group they interview. They should canvas their respective group's population regarding issues, solutions, concerns, viewpoints and ideas for future content pertaining to that group. The 3 members would then compare, debate, vote and compile a shared list based on the interviews as their platform for election to CSM which will be presented to CCP during their term.


Obviously a bit more thought would have to be put into this but I think you get the idea. Good luck to you and the 'Voice of Reason Party'.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#37 - 2012-01-27 00:54:50 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
The change in the CSM elections and the Iceland face to face meeting attendance make it even more important that the Eve general population get involved in the upcoming elections. To that end I am anouncing I will be running and organizing the "Voice of Reason Party". Let me explain my plans and ask for your support (but maybe not in the way you think).

The "Voice of Reason" party intends to represent the following segments of the Eve population. Consider these the "planks" of the party.

Miners
Industrialists
Traders
Small Corps
Independent players
High Sec
Low Sec
PvE
Casual Players
WiS

Basically folk that often are discarded as "carebears" but make up a huge portion of the Eve population. A group that has not had representaion for a long time in the CSM.

So "Issler", you say, there may be many folks that would want to run supporting those players. I would say "yes, I hope there are!"

I am asking anyone who will be running to support this segment of Eve to declare themselves as part of the "Voice of Reason" party. We will organize and debate in the public spaces of Eve to narrow the field to the best two candidates and refine our party planks using some "party voting" (method TBD) and then ask any that would support our party put their support behind the best of us. If we organize we could easily have the chair and another Iceland bound seat!

So "bears", will you join me in finding the right candidates, get our supporters energized and take back the CSM???

I will be putting considerable energy in getting folks from our party elected and those folks don't have to include me, lets find and elect the best!

Together we cannot be defeated!!

Issler Dainze
CSM 7 candidate
Member of the Voice of Reason Party



Issler Dainze, I salute your intentions and effort. I agree, the high sec group needs representation. You have my vote. It's a shame that this thread was blobbed by the opposition. Best to just ignore em.

Personally I think Low Sec should be removed from that list. The party should be comprised of 3 members. If elected, this would at least have 1/3rd of the CSM representing citizens in high security. The platform could be something like PvE, Industrial and Political.

PvE:
Missions
Incursions
Exploration
WiS

Industrial:
Mining & PI
Market & Trade
Invention & Production
Transport & Courier

Political:
NPC Corp Members
Independent Player Corps
Role Playing & Lore Content
High Security Game Mechanics

Each member should be knowledgeable or highly active in the group they interview. They should canvas their respective group's population regarding issues, solutions, concerns, viewpoints and ideas for future content pertaining to that group. The 3 members would then compare, debate, vote and compile a shared list based on the interviews as their platform for election to CSM which will be presented to CCP during their term.


Obviously a bit more thought would have to be put into this but I think you get the idea. Good luck to you and the 'Voice of Reason Party'.



Great Idea. I was already thinking that we could select a slate of candidates with specific focus and your post makes the first swipe at how that might work As for low sec, maybe just keep it on the table where it affects risk/reward in mining and PvE.

The VoR members in the CSM7 could make some great things happen!

I'll be counting you among the VoR party members!!

Issler
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-01-27 01:28:23 UTC
I'm in a NPC corp and this is my main character. I don't like the idea to get rid of NPC corps or make all NPC corps part of Factional Warfare or any other major changes. I pay plenty of taxes which is payment for freedom to do whatever I want, whenever I want, anywhere I want without having to deal with a CEO's orders or worry about a WarDec from a Griefer Corp. Because of that, I'm not allowed to have a POS.

My career is missions and exploration with a little bit of invention, production and trade. Yes, I play mostly solo but I keep half a dozen chat channels open and fleet up with other players from time to time. I've traveled in low and null sec but usually keep to high sec.

About the only change I would like to see for NPC corp members is when in a gang or fleet, if someone aggros one of the members in the fleet, all gang members should be allowed to retaliate without Concord interfering. This would help level the playing field a bit against can flippers, suicide gankers and Ninja mission invaders.

Just remember that there's a lot of potential votes sitting in NPC corps so best to tread lightly on that subject.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#39 - 2012-01-27 01:33:02 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I'm in a NPC corp and this is my main character. I don't like the idea to get rid of NPC corps or make all NPC corps part of Factional Warfare or any other major changes. I pay plenty of taxes which is payment for freedom to do whatever I want, whenever I want, anywhere I want without having to deal with a CEO's orders or worry about a WarDec from a Griefer Corp. Because of that, I'm not allowed to have a POS.

My career is missions and exploration with a little bit of invention, production and trade. Yes, I play mostly solo but I keep half a dozen chat channels open and fleet up with other players from time to time. I've traveled in low and null sec but usually keep to high sec.

About the only change I would like to see for NPC corp members is when in a gang or fleet, if someone aggros one of the members in the fleet, all gang members should be allowed to retaliate without Concord interfering. This would help level the playing field a bit against can flippers, suicide gankers and Ninja mission invaders.

Just remember that there's a lot of potential votes sitting in NPC corps so best to tread lightly on that subject.


That is why I hope we can have some healthy dialogs that address the concerns. I definitely think NPC corps have a place in Eve. But I am not sure that perfect safe havens in a lot of Eve activities is the right place.

I became a CEO to escape a crazy CEO. I did it mostly because I had some RL friends that thought our own corp would be better than NPC, but if it wasn't for that I might very well be in an NPC corp myself.

I hope you'll join the discussion soon to follow about NPC corps and how they fit in Eve!

Issler
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#40 - 2012-01-27 01:41:21 UTC
You must be on to something if you have fearful little bees going for the derail right from the second post.

That said. And for what it's worth. I'll throw my support behind any candidate who is in favor of doing something good for the silent majority.

I look forward to seeing more detail on your platform.

Mr Epeen Cool