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Large amount of ISK per Hour from exploration????
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Powie XIII
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-09-15 15:15:31 UTC
Exploration is a lie. There is nothing but disappointments awaiting you there.

You are better off doing level 4 missions.
You are better off mining.

“They see me trollin', they hatin'”
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#22 - 2011-09-15 18:22:42 UTC
Powie XIII wrote:
Exploration is a lie. There is nothing but disappointments awaiting you there.

You are better off doing level 4 missions.
You are better off mining.


Initiate self-destruct sequence Powie.
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#23 - 2011-09-15 18:24:46 UTC
Powie XIII wrote:
Exploration is a lie. There is nothing but disappointments awaiting you there.

You are better off doing level 4 missions.
You are better off mining.


You have angered the RNG, you must now appease it. Your level 4 agent will now give you buzz kill for the next 500 missions.

"Music is a mysterious thing. Sometimes it makes people remember things they do not expect. Many thoughts, feelings, memories... things almost forgotten... Regardless of whether the listener desires to remember or not." - Citan Uzuki, Xenogears
Luciffer 13
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-09-16 21:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Luciffer 13
Five legions lost during exploration. Can you handle that?
Luh Windan
green fish hat bang bang
#25 - 2011-09-16 22:48:38 UTC
Over the last week I think I've broken even. Spent about 50m - lost a couple of boats (turns out all those warnings about wormholes are true) and a load of steel and a compass (no wait. That was mincraft. Was still exploring though) and found about the same. Jolly good fun and now i've just set sail in a exploration rigged (I hope) BC to see what I can find in more dangerous waters....

Considerably more fun than level IVs IMO.
Luninuas
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2011-09-17 06:32:26 UTC
Luciffer 13 wrote:
Five legions lost during exploration. Can you handle that?


All that says is you suck at exploration, lol
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#27 - 2011-09-17 12:55:46 UTC
Luninuas wrote:
Luciffer 13 wrote:
Five legions lost during exploration. Can you handle that?


All that says is you suck at exploration, lol


Or that he takes risks and **** happens.
Mesh Marillion
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
#28 - 2011-09-17 13:33:56 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Luninuas wrote:
Luciffer 13 wrote:
Five legions lost during exploration. Can you handle that?


All that says is you suck at exploration, lol


Or that he takes risks and **** happens.



Then his ability to wage risk vs reward is probably not well developed. Truth to be told low sec explorations can be decently profitable. It is however probably not as good as incursions or level 4s. You should also be aware that depending on the space you're operating in mag/radar site will be the bread and butter whereas combat sites are much more hit and miss (if you find them that is). If you take maybe a week of rather constant probing and plexing you can get a rough idea how profitable your setup is (and your setup as well as your location plays a huge role in it).

Exploration is really more about lifestyle, like some already mentioned than minmaxing the isk/h.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#29 - 2011-09-17 13:57:37 UTC
Mesh Marillion wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Luninuas wrote:
Luciffer 13 wrote:
Five legions lost during exploration. Can you handle that?


All that says is you suck at exploration, lol


Or that he takes risks and **** happens.



Then his ability to wage risk vs reward is probably not well developed. Truth to be told low sec explorations can be decently profitable. It is however probably not as good as incursions or level 4s. You should also be aware that depending on the space you're operating in mag/radar site will be the bread and butter whereas combat sites are much more hit and miss (if you find them that is). If you take maybe a week of rather constant probing and plexing you can get a rough idea how profitable your setup is (and your setup as well as your location plays a huge role in it).

Exploration is really more about lifestyle, like some already mentioned than minmaxing the isk/h.


I wasn't talking about risk/reward.

Some sites are difficult and not everyone wants their hand held while doing them and thus don't look up the guides for them (or they are simply not documented well). I almost lost a tengu the other day doing my first Digital Compound; I just didn't realize the damage output in the last room. Overheat and a blue pill made things ok but it was still damn close.

**** happens. And even if those losses of his were to pirates, that's part of the risk.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#30 - 2011-09-17 15:55:02 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
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I wasn't talking about risk/reward.

Some sites are difficult and not everyone wants their hand held while doing them and thus don't look up the guides for them (or they are simply not documented well). I almost lost a tengu the other day doing my first Digital Compound; I just didn't realize the damage output in the last room. Overheat and a blue pill made things ok but it was still damn close.

**** happens. And even if those losses of his were to pirates, that's part of the risk.


This

What is the point of playing with walkthroughs is beyond me. I find myself heating the tank almost every time, and a smoking ship is a sure sign of good times <3 Surprises and risks are the best part of EVE, you can't die!

Also, if you never lose ships you don't engage often enough.

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Mesh Marillion
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
#31 - 2011-09-17 20:36:52 UTC
True, but then again there is a difference between testing something and being foolhardy with expensive equipment. For example when i did my first stints in w space i didn't go in with a t3 but with drakes in order to get a feeling for the dps there. Lost one, even on the specific sites i lost it i made profit (and replacement drake rdy to go).
And i know about undocumented sites, i've run quite a few of them myself or tested them with unsual setups. I remember doing the first mothership incursion sites without real knowledge about how the bombers actually worked (and i promptly lost a guardian to the alpha of them due to dualboxing).

Still, there are times where committing expensive stuff without a safety net is just unnecessary and nothing to boast about, at least in pve :)
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#32 - 2011-09-17 21:09:51 UTC
Mesh Marillion wrote:
True, but then again there is a difference between testing something and being foolhardy with expensive equipment. For example when i did my first stints in w space i didn't go in with a t3 but with drakes in order to get a feeling for the dps there. Lost one, even on the specific sites i lost it i made profit (and replacement drake rdy to go).
And i know about undocumented sites, i've run quite a few of them myself or tested them with unsual setups. I remember doing the first mothership incursion sites without real knowledge about how the bombers actually worked (and i promptly lost a guardian to the alpha of them due to dualboxing).

Still, there are times where committing expensive stuff without a safety net is just unnecessary and nothing to boast about, at least in pve :)


Sometimes expensive ships are necessary.

When I was first attempting to solo C4 wormhole sites (before sleepers got the neut fix), I knew a drake or Nighthawk wouldn't be able to do it. I had to use a tengu. I damn near lost it quite a few times (especially in the one with 3x Safeguards-I think thats their name).

Alas, its a game. Safety nets are nice but sometimes they just aren't feasible. And honestly, what are you really losing?
Xyolon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-09-17 22:09:05 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
And honestly, what are you really losing?


QFT

Sometimes I just stare 'cause I can't really understand why some people are scared, and I mean really scared, of losing a pile of pixels.
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-09-18 03:49:38 UTC
Xyolon wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
And honestly, what are you really losing?


QFT

Sometimes I just stare 'cause I can't really understand why some people are scared, and I mean really scared, of losing a pile of pixels.


if you don't care then none of this matters, does it, it's probably time to quit
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2011-09-18 07:25:01 UTC
Hamster Too wrote:
High meta, rare deadspace modules, when found.

You have to remember that exploration income is subject to extreme fluctuations. One day you might make a few hundred mil within half an hour , other times you might spend days finding nothing but wormholes and gravimetric sites.



Indeed it's hit or miss. One day I just wanted to move a ship, and 90 minutes later on a lark I had to deadspace and two faction modules.


Other times it's gravi sites and wormholes to systems packed with carebear death stars manned by Jan Bradys who will camp you 23/7 just for being there.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Xyolon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-09-18 07:51:40 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
Xyolon wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
And honestly, what are you really losing?


QFT

Sometimes I just stare 'cause I can't really understand why some people are scared, and I mean really scared, of losing a pile of pixels.


if you don't care then none of this matters, does it, it's probably time to quit


Why would I quit? Because I'm not afraid of losing some virtual spaceships? That's nonsense.
Or I misunderstood something.
Merphesh
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2011-09-18 13:31:29 UTC
In the last 6 weeks I've made about 30 bill in exploration but in the last week nada nothing 0. Been a interesting ride but my suggestion to you is do it on the side, your better off ratting and earning a steady income per hour unless you have 6-8 hours per day to scan and run all the sites.
Ive done about 20 mazes 15 fleet staging posts and god knows how many 8/10 pith penal complexes as well as the guristas hq which only escalated twice in 18 attempts. To be honest I'm all plexed out, it takes a lot of effort to make a go of it. But in one week I made over 7 bill but then you have weeks of nothing.
Lots of competition as well so good luck with what ever you do but youre going to have to do your homework and relevant training.
Anyway bought another tengu pilot so going to put my feet up and bot seems everyone else is lol (just joking)
FuzzyLogik360
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2011-09-18 21:09:02 UTC
Xyolon wrote:
...I can't really understand why some people are scared, and I mean really scared, of losing a pile of pixels.


But when that pile of pixels costs you 33 euros per month, it suddenly takes on a different meaning.

Fine for those that can afford the time to dual/tripple/quad box with 20 accounts, and pay for all their shiny ships and PLEX just to blow it up the next day and not blink an eye-lid. But the casual player can't do this.

I hear many on these forums claim that you cannot play this game, and have "reward" without "risk". Well, I see no risk for those players who have billions in their wallets. If a lost tengu represents only 10% of your wallet, that's not a risk, that's pocket money.

Do not mock those who fear low-sec for good reason, when you yourself do not face the same risk. Try putting 75%+ of your wallet on the line, then you'll know risk - hardly surprising the majority of casual (intelligent) players never leave hi-sec.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#39 - 2011-09-18 21:19:13 UTC
FuzzyLogik360 wrote:
Xyolon wrote:
...I can't really understand why some people are scared, and I mean really scared, of losing a pile of pixels.


But when that pile of pixels costs you 33 euros per month, it suddenly takes on a different meaning.

Fine for those that can afford the time to dual/tripple/quad box with 20 accounts, and pay for all their shiny ships and PLEX just to blow it up the next day and not blink an eye-lid. But the casual player can't do this.

I hear many on these forums claim that you cannot play this game, and have "reward" without "risk". Well, I see no risk for those players who have billions in their wallets. If a lost tengu represents only 10% of your wallet, that's not a risk, that's pocket money.

Do not mock those who fear low-sec for good reason, when you yourself do not face the same risk. Try putting 75%+ of your wallet on the line, then you'll know risk - hardly surprising the majority of casual (intelligent) players never leave hi-sec.




This is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read about why bears don't leave high sec.

I know plenty of mission runners with billions of isk who simply are too scared that every gate in low sec is camped to death and they will insta perma die and lose everything should they jump the gate.

Those that truly fear low sec simply have never experienced it enough or their minimal experience was a reckless jump in followed by losing their shiny ship. This is pathetic. Its a game. You should fear nothing.

This is entirely off topic from the op, but you should honestly feel pretty ashamed that you are afraid of a little pew pew on your shiny.

Also sweet assumption about the 20 accounts thing Roll How many people do you really think go to that extent? Realistically now.
Arrigo Glokta
#40 - 2011-09-18 23:08:41 UTC
Many thanks for all your comments guys... great to hear both side of the story.

In conclusion - I guess I will have to train for a Pilgrim and try it for myself - see if the shoe fits!

Cheers guys