EVE General Discussion

Are there any CSM representatives who represent the majority of the playerbase? (Source: https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png:large https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras 66% of players 5m SP and higher are highsec toons, while 20% are 0.0 toons.)

The biggest problem with CSM is that they are designed to speak for us, the players, and help move the game in the right direction. Instead, many, if not all, of them represent the minority of players. It seems that highsec gets no real representation by the CSM, so we constantly see highsec nerfs in favor of forcing players out to 0.0 and lowsec, regardless of how they actually want to play the game. It's painful, to say the least.

Most of the fault does lie with the highsec players, themselves. The entire CSM could be made up of highsec friendly players. IF those players would actually run, voting them in would be no problem. It's time that highsec players who really care about their way of playing step up and do something to make a change. We need to find a handful of individuals in highsec to stand up and say "Vote for me", and gain the support needed to do this. Rather than allowing alliances to control the CSM and ruin the game for the rest of us, we should actually work the system the way it was meant to be worked. And just yelling "Vote Chribba" doesn't count =D Unless he wants to run... then... vote Chribba! =D

As to CCP- It would be nice to see a little assistance in this matter. Maybe assurances that, despite the fact that most CSM could care less about highsec gameplay, highsec will not continue to get the short end of the stick and run players out of the game?

I know that most nullbears want to force their gameplay style on others. Hell, I was in 0.0 for 2 years. And in the end? I realized I enjoyed highsec more. But according to most 0.0 players, that simply isn't allowed and I should instead quit subscribing to EVE and take my money to WoW. And for what purpose? Because I don't enjoy the same gameplay style that they do?

This will probably start one massive flamewar, get locked within 24 hours and never be revisited again. But if even 1 or 2 Devs think about this topic when it comes time to decide changes, then it is well worth the effort.

We are the 66%. =D Fly safe. o7

Here is your first problem. That says "chars on active accounts". Chars is a shortened form of characters. You can have multiple characters per account. Thus it is possible for a player to be spread across null, low and high sec.

For that matter, my primary character spends the majority of her time between 0.4 and 0.6. Yet, I have one account with three characters in high sec split between a number of trade hubs. And two others on this account across two other high-sec trade hubs.

It would be entirely feasible for players in high/low to have characters in high sec as well.

It is less likely for players that identify primarily with high-sec to have characters in low / null sec.

Your conceptual claim around the numbers just does not stack up when you consider it fully. From this simple bit of reasoning, most of your claims about player numbers already fall flat and renders statements like:

"many, if not all, of them represent the minority of players"

No, they may represent a relatively smaller number of CHARACTERS. As to players, well. Logic should tell you what the real answer to that would be.

My question for you is - what in the most recent CSM meeting minutes makes you feel as if High Sec is getting the short end of the stick and that this CSM is unbalanced?

When I was in 0.0, I had 2 accounts with 3 characters each out there, as did my gf and friend who played. That's 18 characters in 0.0 between three people. Even now, only 2 of my characters are highsec toons. The others I use as ratting nullbears for easy PLEX money. So does that also mean 0.0 might have less than 20% of the active players, by the same train of thought?

Well, let's take the CSM in CSM7!

Voice of Reason Party

Spread the word!

Issler

For what it's worth, Eve University CEO, Kelduum Revaan has already thrown his fedora into the upcoming election so he's a shoo-in to be a member of the next CSM. Assuming his underlings get out and vote, which really shouldn't be a problem if the EVE Online crowd-sourcing polls are any indication. He may not have his finger on the pulse of all that is wrong with high-sec, but unlike a vast number of current CSM members, he is a reasonable and respectable human being.

The difference in playstyle being that the player who accepts PvP is going to make more isk for PLEX out there, and be more capable of sustaining multiple accounts, thus resulting in less overall players to characters? Makes sense.

Anyhow, over the past year I've watched level 4s in highsec get nerfed in their drops and locations (many being pushed to lowsec). I've seen PI in highsec get nerfed, mining in highsec get stomped into the ground. And I can't help but wonder- would these changes have taken place if there were more vocal highsec players on the CSM to say "Wait, stop. What are you doing? There are a TON of players who enjoy highsec gameplay and you are basically screwing them over". The changes didn't move anyone into lowsec or 0.0 that weren't already there. All it did was just make them a little more miserable. Honestly, I don't see the point.

There is no way to force players to 0.0. You can force players to quit and you can make their game play experience miserable, but in the end the death penalties in this game are so severe that many players who aren't already willing to deal with them, won't be in the future no matter how much stick and how little carrot you use.

This game is, unfortunately, a combination of two things that tthree different groups of people want. Some want internet spaceships, some want hardcore lose everything PvP and some want a nice mix of both. Me, I'm in the last category, so I can play equally in 0.0 and highsec. But many players, hell possibly most, fit in the first two and that makes it very difficult to find an in between. The PvP players are hurt by the internet spaceship players because the more people in highsec, the less they can kill and loot from in 0.0. And the internet spaceship players are made miserable by the PvP players because they just want to have a spaceship, do incursions with other people, mission with other people, etc, but they keep getting forced out of highsec to do it more and more.

Rather than an even ground between the two being found... it feels more like every patch is trying to snuff out one gameplay style to help the other.

Well keep in mind there HAVE been people that have run and won that represented HISEC.

Problem is the most notable of them was later removed from the CSM for an NDA breach, and ended up (yes literally) getting mad enough during a CSM meeting that she threw a metal spoon across the table at one of the other CSM. Hence the "Queen Of Spoons" title that you sometimes see people using when mentioning her.

Her other problem was that nobody could pronounce her name.

Ankhesentapemkah removed from CSM due to NDAbreach

In that election, she had the second highest votes placed for her out of all of the other CSM, so she was elected by a fairly large group of individuals. She was anti-griefer, anti-pirate, hell anti-tons of things. But the problem was that she took it to extremes beyond that of what was rational. Though she was heavily invested in getting faction warfare updated, which is about the only thing that I liked about her.

She was actually part of a party they formed called "take care".
http://www.eve-takecare.net/

Now if you guys could find a candidate that represents HISEC without the strange, quirky, bizarre angry outbursts, then of course its possible for such a person to be voted in.

I believe she got most of her votes through her heavy campaign on the forums as well as flying out to every single mission system in EVE and sending out mass mails to all of the players in those areas about how she would represent what they want.

While YOU may not feel that mining is a viable primary playstyle, there are many who do. Trading, industry, mining, marketing... all HUGE aspects of the game made up of many players who want to enjoy themselves doing just that. Forcing them to PvP and forcing them into combat simply won't happen. They'll do what they do for as long as they can, and then they'll quit when they can't any longer. It's like two little kids playing with toys. If one kid tries to force the other play his way or no way at all, it will likely be no way at all. The other kid will walk away and that will be that.

Why waste money on something that is no longer fun? For now, there are still things highsec "carebears" can do. The day there isn't or it gets nerfed so badly that it just isn't fun anymore, they'll look for something else to do I guess. And I dread that, because I do love seeing 44,000+ users logged in. A grand improvement over the days when the game was "entirely 'Combat Space'", neh?

Even though you are obviously trolling, as there are few people stupid enough to actually type out that amount of incoherent nonsense without even bothering to read the OP.... you still deserve this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAOxY_nHdew

Boo hoo. A bunch of whiners that couldn't be bothered to read up on developments, nevermind take a moment to vote, aren't being represented. Who cares.