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the dumbing down of names to bring in new blood?

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James1122
Perimeter Trade and Distribution Inc
#121 - 2012-01-26 17:38:58 UTC  |  Edited by: James1122
The levels of fail in this thread are becoming hard to bear. Its whinny **** posting over insignificant issues like this that cause ccp to stop reading/listening to the player base which ultimately leads to lack in communication and bigger issues to fall through.

This is hardly an issue that deserves a 6 page whine thread. They changed a few names to bring the naming convention of item in order. This is not the end of eve as we know it nor is it even close. I wish the moderators were a lot more heavy handed with the ban hammer in these forums >.<

Please lock the thread and ban the op!

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#122 - 2012-01-26 17:41:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
to a Portoguese speaker, "Nova Torpedo" literally means "New Torpedo".


It actually means only that the person can't speak proper portuguese.

New Torpedo would be "Novo Torpedo" tbh.



So you're saying Nova Torpedo sounds like bad Portuguese.

Even worse. I should've figured something as phallic as a Torpedo would be masculine. But it doesn't take from the relevancy that Nova doesn't blend well.



Nova torpedo could also sound like "No Go Torpedo". or the torpedo that doesn't go.

Quote:

Port.:
Não vá Torpedo.

Spanish :
No va torpedo


I can come up with plenty of reasons here. The name is bad for romance language speakers. Nova is a shite name for a thermal missile.


At whoever is saying "calm down" - uh, not sure what you're reading, but I'm perfectly calm. Welcome to the EVE forums, beware of the trolls.


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Context is everything. It provides accurate meaning when different interpretations are possible. Thus why it is called context.

Thor was the god of thunder, and did throw lightning.

As for Nova, it's use usually always has a stellar connotation. If you aren't happy with that you'll have to take it up with Gene Roddenberry (or his estate) who made the term "Nova Bomb" iconic with it's use in the Andromeda series.


So, now EVE is being Derivatory.

Don't use Cliches, they're bad, mkay? Context is not everything.

Because ultimately, the ultimate context is that you can not interpret someone elses context in perceiving the world. You can not and will not have sufficient context to cater to every situational context. And thus context is totally irrelevant in broad based world wide global communication. There is a reason that there is something called structured simplified English to reduce ambiguity and reliance and linguistic context.

Thor doesn't throw lightning. He throws Mjonir, which is a hammer. Period, the end. Get your mythology right. He laid the smack down with a hammer.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/thor.html

Quote:
The Norse believed that during a thunderstorm, Thor rode through the heavens on his chariot pulled by the goats Tanngrisni ("gap-tooth") and Tanngnost ("tooth grinder"). Lightning flashed whenever he threw his hammer Mjollnir.


Lightning was a side effect of how freaking awesome his hammer was. I don't have a problem with Mjolnir for EM - but don't tell me that the name has to match the damage type.

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2012-01-26 17:44:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Its threads like these and some of the posts contained here that makes me almost 100% sure that most of the trolls in this forum are indeed CCP alts venting out frustration that they build up when having to deal with some people.

I bet that most devs use only their alts to post here, because the rage is too strong for their mains.

...and what is the deal with team names like "pink zombie kittens" or similiar anyways. I almost poured this neocom pile on CCP Punkturis again because I had and impression that she was in charge of all UI related improvements. I didn't quite believe it at start because after all she did step up and do absolutely wonderfull stuff with the scaling and UI after all the problems it had on start. In many cases she took step further and made the features even better. Now we can choose font size in overview and customize uselists in chats. Entire scaling was extra feature as reply to demand of the community. Thankfully she didn't have anything to do with this neocom mess in the end.

We need clear team names in patch notes where we can see who is responsible and from what so we can give credit to correct people and give well deserved s*it to the people who didn't even try.

So... team Optimal... and team Namechangers.... why can't you step up like some others do? Is it really that hard?

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#124 - 2012-01-26 17:47:17 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Nova is a shite name for a thermal missile.


Good thing that thermal missiles are Inferno then. Nova's explosive. Cool

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#125 - 2012-01-26 17:52:07 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Nova is a shite name for a thermal missile.


Good thing that thermal missiles are Inferno then. Nova's explosive. Cool



Shhh, I've everyone already gotten people confused and you go messing with it.



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Valei Khurelem
#126 - 2012-01-26 17:55:10 UTC

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So... team Optimal... and team Namechangers.... why can't you step up like some others do? Is it really that hard?


I suggest that every time one of these 'teams' makes a colossal **** up they should be forced to log on and announce where they are and at what time they'll be flying so we can all go and gank them, teams who behave well should get hugs and cookies.

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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
#127 - 2012-01-26 17:55:23 UTC
james1122 wrote:
The levels of fail in this thread are becoming hard to bear. Its whinny **** posting over insignificant issues like this that cause ccp to stop reading/listening to the player base which ultimately leads to lack in communication and bigger issues to fall through.

This is hardly an issue that deserves a 6 page whine thread. They changed a few names to bring the naming convention of item in order. This is not the end of eve as we know it nor is it even close. I wish the moderators were a lot more heavy handed with the ban hammer in these forums >.<

Please lock the thread and ban the op!

pot calling the cattle black?

The OP was ok, then some posts later, after some trolls posted their counters an idiot poisioned the whole thread with name calling..
Then we got a side discussion about proper or contextual names for missiles/torps and from my count roughly 5-7 posters with coherent positions why CCP should have handled this differently.
Oh, and naturally a horde of trolls like you who demand this thread to be locked.

PS: yes I did read the whole thread. Did you, or did you just hit 'reply' after page 1?

Lazy kid.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#128 - 2012-01-26 17:59:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Hehehe "Don't Go Torpedo" haven't thought about that. I giggled.

But really it's not an issue. If you have half a brain you grow to accept that other languages use words that would more often than not sound improper if they were used in your own language.

"Erebus" sound like the portuguese word for Vultures (Urubus), "Revelation" sounds like a bad dancing technique (Rebolation), "Mjolnir Torpedo" sounds like (You Pissed on Him Torpedo)... there are countless examples.

There are even examples when you compare brazilian-portuguese and european-portuguese. While in Portugal "Cacete" is a type of bread, in Brazil "Cacete" is the male reproductive organ. So you can guess the amount of jokes we make about portuguese men.


Like i said, its a non-issue. You can't expect CCP to study every word in every language before using it on its lore.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Selw kotsidakia
Three Deep Cuts
#129 - 2012-01-26 18:03:55 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:

"Nova Torpedo" means "New Torpedo".


The names are stupid. Seriously, straight out. Change them again to something that isn't useless.

A 'nova' is also a cataclysmic nuclear explosion in a star.
Not to be confused with supernova, which is just a much, much, much more powerful variety.



Right, and why is it called that? because ancient people thought it was a NEW star being was born in the sky.

Literally, they were saying "Hey, look at that NEW STAR in the sky!" because the reaction made it glow brightly. They weren't saying, "Hey! That cataclysmic reaction in that star is really making it glow brightly."




Anarcy in ancient greece mean the state of the community when every person knew what was good for the community and laws didnt exist as they were not needed. Was consider the ideal political system at those times thought never achievend. Nowdays it has a completely different meaning and by most people is assosiated with destruction, terrorism and vandalism. Since eve is supposed to happen several years in the future even the latin speaking people (who atm for them nova=new), if they exist, would assosiate nova with explosion of a star along with the meaning of "new". So for new eden "nova rocket" would be assosiated with "explosive rocket". Words evolve so it makes absolute sense.

Also "trauma" means wound in greek, most of them produced by kinetic force aplied to the human body(tbh we got different words for wounds prodused by heat and electrocussion). Doesn't make absolute sense but still is related to kinetic force. Sidenote: A greek word for caldari weapon? Expected to see that in gallente :P

Mjolnir makes perfect sense, yo, god of thunder.

You are taking words of the missile naming very leterally still i don't see you QQ about how nanofiber internal stucture boosts speed when reinforced nanofiber plates reduce it.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#130 - 2012-01-26 18:14:11 UTC
Let me turn this up a notch.

I'm almost positive that most of the whiners are americans, and quite probably soccer moms.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#131 - 2012-01-26 18:20:31 UTC
Selw kotsidakia wrote:

Also "trauma" means wound in greek, most of them produced by kinetic force aplied to the human body(tbh we got different words for wounds prodused by heat and electrocussion). Doesn't make absolute sense but still is related to kinetic force. Sidenote: A greek word for caldari weapon? Expected to see that in gallente :P

Mjolnir makes perfect sense, yo, god of thunder.

You are taking words of the missile naming very leterally still i don't see you QQ about how nanofiber internal stucture boosts speed when reinforced nanofiber plates reduce it.


A) Nanofiber is pretty generic. Nanofibers can come in a thousand different forms. So a Reinforced Nanofiber Plates make it clear that you have a PLATING that is Reinforced made from Nanofibers, so it's designed as plating. Nanofiber internal structures mean that you're replacing internal structures with lighter weight nanofibers for less mass. Makes sense.

However, Mjolnir for EM for all kinds of missiles doesn't make sense. Rockets, Torpedos and Citadel Cruise Missiles are all different. If you want to identify them by damage type, then just LABEL them by damage type, just like they want to do with hardeners adding the type of EM damage to the hardener name (listed in notes in the OP). That makes sense.


So, everyone can now agree that we're looking at the name for the names sake, and Trauma sounds bad. Even CCP Soundwave made a joke about "Nausea Cannons".

As I posted... clearly CCP dropped the ball on this one. They could've handled this a world better.

They have failed to accomplish their goals. These names, whatever they are don't help describe the missiles any better. They're making it harder to search for what you want based on naming criteria. They're causing incompatibility issues going forwards and backwards. And they need to stop messing with these names.

Pretty much done with this thread. Thanks for the mammaries.




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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#132 - 2012-01-26 18:42:44 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Selw kotsidakia wrote:

Also "trauma" means wound in greek, most of them produced by kinetic force aplied to the human body(tbh we got different words for wounds prodused by heat and electrocussion). Doesn't make absolute sense but still is related to kinetic force. Sidenote: A greek word for caldari weapon? Expected to see that in gallente :P

Mjolnir makes perfect sense, yo, god of thunder.

You are taking words of the missile naming very leterally still i don't see you QQ about how nanofiber internal stucture boosts speed when reinforced nanofiber plates reduce it.


A) Nanofiber is pretty generic. Nanofibers can come in a thousand different forms. So a Reinforced Nanofiber Plates make it clear that you have a PLATING that is Reinforced made from Nanofibers, so it's designed as plating. Nanofiber internal structures mean that you're replacing internal structures with lighter weight nanofibers for less mass. Makes sense.

However, Mjolnir for EM for all kinds of missiles doesn't make sense. Rockets, Torpedos and Citadel Cruise Missiles are all different. If you want to identify them by damage type, then just LABEL them by damage type, just like they want to do with hardeners adding the type of EM damage to the hardener name (listed in notes in the OP). That makes sense.


So, everyone can now agree that we're looking at the name for the names sake, and Trauma sounds bad. Even CCP Soundwave made a joke about "Nausea Cannons".

As I posted... clearly CCP dropped the ball on this one. They could've handled this a world better.

They have failed to accomplish their goals. These names, whatever they are don't help describe the missiles any better. They're making it harder to search for what you want based on naming criteria. They're causing incompatibility issues going forwards and backwards. And they need to stop messing with these names.

Pretty much done with this thread. Thanks for the mammaries.







Blood, I really do like your posts usually. Smile

For my part, I will agree that I would have preferred that the logical name restructuring had "also" included the flavor text name... although I realize that the name would then be in serious danger of becoming comically long. I can see the point of the change, but miss the mental imagery... although I believe many are simply upset that a change of any type occurred to something they spent a while memorizing (which is somewhat silly).

I did appreciate how you substanciated most of my points while making it sound like you had completely discredited them. Big smile
Particularly that part about why Mjolnir doesn't make sense because lightning was caused only by throwing Mjolnir but had nothing to do with the type of damage the hammer would have done. Big smile
Or completely ignored the fact that the term "Nova" Bomb is a SciFi icon (ala Roddenberry) and is easily identifiable with by SciFi fans the world over.

Semantics aside, I'm agreeing with you at least on the point that it could have been done in a way to keep the flavor while still simplifing and quantifying the naming system.

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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#133 - 2012-01-26 18:45:49 UTC
A bit more flavor (flavour for the European players) taken from the game.

As people claim, "It was only a name made easier to realize what the item is."

It does seem to be a trend in general with everything - reduce it to the lowest common denominator so nobody feels left out. No need to think - everything will be spelled out for you and if you're confused, then it will be reduced even lower. I remember when I first started playing Eve. Aura was very unsympathetic - pointed out a few actions and items and then kicked my ass out the dock door into a cold universe with the directions to make my own path in this gaming life. I survived - hell, many people must have survived since the game grew in subscriptions.

But the whining came, and the great learning curve of Eve started to get bulldozed down.

More whining followed more bulldozing.

Does Eve even have a learning curve any longer, or has it been reduced to nothing so nobody has to think and be offended if they thought wrong...?

Yea, the modules changed were only in name - no flavor, no subtle history, just generic modules.

Let's go way back in gaming history for the really old timers...

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.html?id=3283

and

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.html?id=2620

Just to pixel monsters... or were they something more?

Food for thought.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-01-26 18:59:26 UTC
I AM ANGRY THAT NEWBS DONT HAVE TO WASTE THE TIME I DID LEARNING TO PLAY THE GAME ::RAAAAGE::

grow up ffs

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#135 - 2012-01-26 19:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
CCP Greyscale wrote:
The less time you have to spend fighting the game, the more time you have left over to play it. Any simplification which increases the amount of time players can be interacting with each other, while keeping the interaction sufficiently interesting, is a good simplification.

Or, put another way, how good a player you are should be defined by how good your decisions are, not by how many tasks and lists you've memorized.

(We could add a window that doesn't let you undock until you can identify the NPC corp a random logo belongs to, and people could spend a lot of time learning all the logos, and become "really good" at "the undock quiz", but it would still be a terrible mechanic.)


What about simplifying the game for real?

1) Keep the old names but also give an alias to the items.

We can do this since DB III (earlier if you factor in Unix symbolic links)

Old players are happy, "lore" is happy, new players are happy.

2) Let people search for the simple stuff. IE why do I have to browse and generally get bored finding stuff when all I want to do is "search: THERM med missile".

Again, does not take Google to do this, just adding tags to the items (you can assign tags over iterations since it'd take a while).


Basically, bring EvE to 2012 not to 1970 and it's 6 letters IBM file names "because it's easy to use".

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2012-01-26 19:22:13 UTC
Dear CCP GreyScale,

i'll pay one hundred (100, european) bucks via bank transfer or by buying PLEX
if you put a name of my choosing onto the former Y-T and hundred (100) more
one month after that for it's brother, the Y-S.

Consider it. :)
Omar Devone Little
Doomheim
#137 - 2012-01-26 19:41:45 UTC
If renaming a few modules is the only thing people can find to whine about, then CCP is on the right track Big smile
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-01-26 20:05:16 UTC
The renaming of modules does not bother me one bit. I understand why and agree with the changes.

What I think would be a nice addition is the ability to sort by meta level and an option to turn on "Show meta level" that would put the meta level in the lower left of all item icons.

This would allow everyone to have their cake and eat it too.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-01-26 20:15:11 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
(snipped...) What I think would be a nice addition is the ability to sort by meta level and an option to turn on "Show meta level" that would put the meta level in the lower left of all item icons.

This would allow everyone to have their cake and eat it too.


CCP could go one step further and remove the meta level aspect and just have tech 1 and tech 2 versions of modules to keep things nice and simple. Even the naming will be simpler to remember - "Basic" for tech 1 and "Advanced" for tech 2 modules. None of this reprocessing a meta 1 offers x amount of minerals compared to a higher meta which offers less minerals even though some numbers were tweaked to make it appear better. Or how some meta 4 modules are better than the meta 5 modules, which suddenly jump from a tech 1 to a tech 2! Etc., etc... Twisted
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-01-26 20:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Rath Kelbore
wtf, you're mad about names? Remember Montague and Capulet? Remember how that ended?

Seriously tho, who gives a **** what they call things.

They made things make more sense is all. They didn't change any mechanics of the game. Why have complexity for complexities sake? If it adds/takes nothing away from the game play who cares? If it does take something away from game play by, for example, calling all missiles that do em dmg mjiornir, please inform me.

Does it really matter if you're shooting a scourge missile or kinetic heavy missile?? Or that implants now have some relevancy in their name as to what in the **** they do??

I agree with OP about not dumbing down the game, but I think this is an instance of making things more efficient and less dumb.

Edit: y u no cry about fuel blox? They make game too dumb!?!!

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.