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AF changes not quite what was needed
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Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#21 - 2012-01-26 12:21:55 UTC
Kumq uat wrote:
I am also not sure just how well a blaster ship can track with that MWD cranking it around taking it way out of range.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#22 - 2012-01-26 14:23:54 UTC
Solj RichPopolous wrote:
YOU NOT DOING IT RIGHT.

My AF goes 2500 m/s on AB who needs a MWD.

This is heavy tackle try getting 1 of those off your ass with a nice little tank and going that fast, guns flat out miss and missiles do jack all for damage. Bout the only savior is long range webs or heavy neuts.


Shocked Get thet 10MN AB off your AF before I slap you, bro.

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Aamrr
#23 - 2012-01-26 14:25:58 UTC
Am I the only one that sees the MWD bonus as a tremendous opportunity for our new AFs to dual-prop?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#24 - 2012-01-26 14:33:26 UTC
Aamrr wrote:
Am I the only one that sees the MWD bonus as a tremendous opportunity for our new AFs to dual-prop?

+1! With the buffed HP and the extra lowslot for a nano, I want to see what the Jag can do.

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Kumq uat
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-01-26 15:22:07 UTC
Don't get me wrong, this is nitpicking of the highest order and CCP has been going a great job lately. I am Jewish though and am entitled to whine.
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-01-26 15:31:07 UTC
I don't know about you, but my arty kiting jag really loves the mwd sigres bonus Cool
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#27 - 2012-01-26 15:48:36 UTC
Roosterton wrote:
I don't know about you, but my arty kiting jag really loves the mwd sigres bonus Cool

Kiting AFs in general should be loving this. Harpy and Enyo (with railguns) in particular, but also the Retribution. Medium Pulse Laser IIs with Scorch = delicious.

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Shukuzen Kiraa
F4G Wild Weasel
#28 - 2012-01-26 15:56:58 UTC
Aamrr wrote:
Am I the only one that sees the MWD bonus as a tremendous opportunity for our new AFs to dual-prop?


Sure....as long as they plan on putting ANOTHER mid slot on the retribution, that plan would work out great.
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-01-26 16:01:38 UTC
The MWD role bonus doesnt NEED to be followed on. It isnt a disgrace to fit an AB to an AF even with the bonus its hardly wasted. Its not like your trying to fit projectiles on a nightmare or anything....
Maluscious Melody
The First Foundation
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#30 - 2012-01-26 16:56:05 UTC
As much as I'd love a flat AB speed bonus instead of the crappy MWD sig bonus that steps on the toes of interceptors, I do think it would be too powerful.

What if AFs got a bonus to AB cap usage that meant they could keep their ABs running even when neuted. 80-90% (or even 100%?) reduction to AB capacitor need role bonus.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#31 - 2012-01-26 17:45:14 UTC
Maluscious Melody wrote:
As much as I'd love a flat AB speed bonus instead of the crappy MWD sig bonus that steps on the toes of interceptors, I do think it would be too powerful.

What if AFs got a bonus to AB cap usage that meant they could keep their ABs running even when neuted. 80-90% (or even 100%?) reduction to AB capacitor need role bonus.

Not a bad idea, but there are already plenty of skills that reduce AB cap usage to near-nothing. Also, most AFs have utility high slots that they can stick a nosferatu in, to give better cap stability when neuted.

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Thryson
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#32 - 2012-01-26 18:46:04 UTC
Posted in a new topic by accident, speed buff to AB and resist to webs allows them to become close range dps platforms with ood tank and fit better but still have the brutal weakness to neuts.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-01-26 18:56:25 UTC
AB boost bonus was discussed to death already:

giving such a blanket bonus to AFrigs would make the better ones even better and the sucky ones still suck.


this one is a better compromise. every Afrig benefits from it, and you're still on your right to not fit a mwd at all.


also, this bonus doesn't make Afrigs step on the inties role at all. Inties still have smaller sig rad, and they are still faster and nimbler.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#34 - 2012-01-26 19:12:13 UTC
Grimpak wrote:

also, this bonus doesn't make Afrigs step on the inties role at all. Inties still have smaller sig rad, and they are still faster and nimbler.


I can only think of very few cases when I'd rather use an interceptor than an AF to tackle now: when I need my sig radius and speed or I get alpha'd, like in fleet battles over long distances. In general combat an AF is better because it can have more than 2x the tank of its competing tackle interceptor, while still having a MWD sig bonus, and going pretty fast. Compare the Wolf and the Claw.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-01-26 19:18:49 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Grimpak wrote:

also, this bonus doesn't make Afrigs step on the inties role at all. Inties still have smaller sig rad, and they are still faster and nimbler.


I can only think of very few cases when I'd rather use an interceptor than an AF to tackle now: when I need my sig radius and speed or I get alpha'd, like in fleet battles over long distances. In general combat an AF is better because it can have more than 2x the tank of its competing tackle interceptor, while still having a MWD sig bonus, and going pretty fast. Compare the Wolf and the Claw.



you're comparing a combat-focussed ship to another combat-focussed ship. Claw is the "combat interceptor". you should be comparing the wolf to the stilleto.


however, the AF update admittedly made the combat interceptors a wee bit redundant when compared to the AF's, but, then again, of all 4 combat interceptors only the taranis and the crusader were the only ones that didn't need much of an overhaul, when compared to the claw and the crow.

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-01-26 19:25:52 UTC
Why dont you just chill out and settle into the new changes, they tryed AB bonuses on sisi and it broke AFs more than it fixed them.

Im loving the new changes, not just becaus ethe AFs are better but because they arnt soooo much better that other frigs and dessys arnt totally usless.

loverly fix, thanks ccp ballence guy o/

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#37 - 2012-01-26 19:26:47 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
ed ship to another combat-focussed ship. Claw is the "combat interceptor". you should be comparing the wolf to the stilleto.


however, the AF update admittedly made the combat interceptors a wee bit redundant when compared to the AF's, but, then again, of all 4 combat interceptors only the taranis and the crusader were the only ones that didn't need much of an overhaul, when compared to the claw and the crow.


It was combat interceptors I was talking about, dude. Check my earlier post.

The Stiletto/Ares/Raptor/Malediction are still great at what they do, and are not dethroned at all by AFs. If I needed fast tackle to get a point on a target ASAP I would still definitely pick them over an AF -- if only because I can get a point at 36 km! Twisted

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-01-26 19:37:40 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
ed ship to another combat-focussed ship. Claw is the "combat interceptor". you should be comparing the wolf to the stilleto.


however, the AF update admittedly made the combat interceptors a wee bit redundant when compared to the AF's, but, then again, of all 4 combat interceptors only the taranis and the crusader were the only ones that didn't need much of an overhaul, when compared to the claw and the crow.


It was combat interceptors I was talking about, dude. Check my earlier post.

The Stiletto/Ares/Raptor/Malediction are still great at what they do, and are not dethroned at all by AFs. If I needed fast tackle to get a point on a target ASAP I would still definitely pick them over an AF -- if only because I can get a point at 36 km! Twisted




oh.. my mistake thenOops


well, truth to be told, now that we have the "heavy" frigate class up to a state where it can be considered useful, the "space superiority" frigate class needs the overhaul that was lacking for some time now.

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Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
#39 - 2012-01-26 20:44:39 UTC
AB bonus would break them against large missiles @ any range, and most guns @ close range.

You realize that this is like asking for Dramiels with 2x the DPS (or more) @ close range and 70s-80s (even 90s) resists across the board.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#40 - 2012-01-26 20:47:47 UTC
Diomidis wrote:
You realize that this is like asking for Dramiels with 2x the DPS (or more) @ close range and 70s-80s (even 90s) resists across the board.


But that would be so awesome.

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