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Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#21 - 2012-01-05 19:13:42 UTC
If you're just starting off with industry and finding out how things work, logistics etc, then look at buying cheap multi-run BPC's for the ships you might want to build, sure it eats a little out of your profit, but you don't have all that isk tied up in a BPO which you never know how profitable it's going to stay. Ships like everything else in eve tend to go in and out of flavour of the month, and they're only 1 nerf/boost away from being sought after, or worthless.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#22 - 2012-01-05 19:38:28 UTC
50 me on a battleship isn't going to save you that much over 15 or 20 me. 50 is overkill and a waste of research time. IMO

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Olivia Apex
Off-World Conglomerate
#23 - 2012-01-07 00:35:13 UTC
How I did it was

1) Produce as close to a trade hub as possible
2) Buy and transport minerals from the Trade hub to the manufacturing station
3) Dump minerals, pick up ships

You can also just set up courier contracts.

Something to consider is the 'gank limit'. You don't want to transport more than a Billion in goods in a freighter anyway since that is the break even point for gankers (or was, insurance and Tornadoes have changed the formula some).

So even if you could fit more Maelstroms, you probably don't want to tempt anyone, especially since you'll be making regular runs.

This pure Orca character is for sale.

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Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-01-07 02:16:22 UTC
Olivia Apex wrote:
How I did it was

1) Produce as close to a trade hub as possible
2) Buy and transport minerals from the Trade hub to the manufacturing station
3) Dump minerals, pick up ships


If I were to do this, it would probably go like this. Even down to the detail that I would be producing Maelstroms. Which would be obvious after I revealed what website I was looking at.

However, I think if my alt moves to Jita (to ensure the market can easily absorb my production), I can reach my goal of averaging at least 1 million isk per hour per production line over 10 lines with my current BPOs after they are properly researched. Pretty much the goal is to have around 240 million isk per day in semi-passive income. Then, if I somehow manage to incure over 240 million in losses trying to PvP on this guy, then I know I truly suck at this game.
astara989
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-01-07 15:29:08 UTC
Bath Sheeba wrote:
Use Red Frog Freight http://red-frog.org/jumps.php

cheap depedable freight service....

and if your average haul costs 8mil isk, with 1bil in collateral, this means if they lose 1 load that is 125 trips at 8mil isk.......so they lose one they pay for themselves.


Push Industries will move it faster and cheaper then red fog, and has THE best customer service of any freighter corp.
Galmalmin
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2012-01-08 19:09:25 UTC
As a player with multiple freighter toons and multiple freighters (T1 & T2), I have found that it is not good to transport much more than 2Billion ISK worth of goods in my freighters as the hisec gankers seem to find that level of isk worth the risk to exploit. Escorts do not make this any safer with the current hisec engagment rules ((as I understand them) I mainly live in null sec).

Yes, freighters can be considered slow, but when you compare the haul capacity/speed vs that of a Itty V, freighters win. My Rhea's carry more than 800K m3 vs a maxed Itty V at around 38K m3. (yes, that can be expanded using cargo containers, but then the time to load and unload them just increases your travel time.)

You most certainly do NOT want to transport them via auto pilot as that is a major flag for the gankers.

Null Sec is a different story as escorts & scouts are the rule.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#27 - 2012-01-26 18:12:05 UTC
Orca

- Holds packaged battleships in main cargo.
- If posible use corporation storage to hide what you are moving.
- Can carry fitted ships smaller then BS.
- Can fit a cloak, goes a bit faster then a freighter, can use ab trick to increase speed.

This is the middle step you are looking for between freighters and indy ships.

* Freighters will be you best bet for moving large amounts of large unpackaged ships.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#28 - 2012-01-26 18:31:31 UTC
Don't do BS construction till you have a clue about EvE markets.

You are much better starting with something your teeth can chew first.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#29 - 2012-01-26 20:18:24 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
50 me on a battleship isn't going to save you that much over 15 or 20 me. 50 is overkill and a waste of research time. IMO


Really depends on the volume of ships you're selling. If it's 1 or 2 per week, probably not worth it.
If you're selling a ton (like I used to), then it makes sense.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#30 - 2012-01-27 02:43:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Jacob Stiller wrote:
Carriers wouldn't help in high sec, but out of curiosity, I decked out an Aeon in cargo rigs and modules in EFT. It only has 16135 m3 of cargo space. If you meant supercarrier/mothership, my alt's little trade empire certainly doesn't have resources rivaling one of the major nullsec alliances.

Archon carrier has a ship maintenance bay with a capacity of 1,000,000 m3 = 2 assembled battleships

Aeon supercarrier has a ship maintenance bay with a capacity of 2,500,000 m3 = 5 assembled battleships

Rhea jumpfreighter has a cargohold with a capacity up to 367,968.75 m3 = 7 packaged battleships

Charon freighter has a cargohold with a capacity up to 981,250 m3 = 19 packaged battleships

Orca has a cargohold with a capacity up to 100,951.31 m3 = 2 packaged battleships


Packaged Sizes
Frigate: 2,500 m3
Destroyer: 5,000 m3
Cruiser: 10,000 m3
Battle Cruiser: 15,000 m3
Battleship: 50,000 m3
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#31 - 2012-01-27 03:10:55 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Jacob Stiller wrote:
Carriers wouldn't help in high sec, but out of curiosity, I decked out an Aeon in cargo rigs and modules in EFT. It only has 16135 m3 of cargo space. If you meant supercarrier/mothership, my alt's little trade empire certainly doesn't have resources rivaling one of the major nullsec alliances.

Archon carrier has a ship maintenance bay with a capacity of 1,000,000 m3 = 2 assembled battleships

Aeon supercarrier has a ship maintenance bay with a capacity of 2,500,000 m3 = 5 assembled battleships

Rhea jumpfreighter has a cargohold with a capacity up to 367,968.75 m3 = 7 packaged battleships

Charon freighter has a cargohold with a capacity up to 981,250 m3 = 19 packaged battleships

Orca has a cargohold with a capacity up to 100,951.31 m3 = 2 packaged battleships


Packaged Sizes
Frigate: 2,500 m3
Destroyer: 5,000 m3
Cruiser: 10,000 m3
Battle Cruiser: 15,000 m3
Battleship: 50,000 m3


You forgot the Avatar's 5,000,000 m3 Ship Maint bay for 10 assembled Battleships and 100k m3 Corp Hangar for an additional 2 packaged, and 136k Cargohold for another 2 packaged. Just because it's silly doesn't mean you get to ignore it.

The Aeon also has room in its 50k m3 corp hangar for 1 packaged BS.

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AstarothPrime
Pecunia Infinita
#32 - 2012-01-27 14:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: AstarothPrime
Well - freighters seem like a cheap and really viable option IMO...

Big smile

Or just manufacture something u can fly and transport it 1 by 1 :) they cost 100M each in average so it aint really big deal even that way...

I.
LuckyQuarter
Eden Dominion Coalition
Scary Wormhole People
#33 - 2012-02-18 05:05:43 UTC
If you seriously get into manufacturing, having a freighter is almost a must -- not just for the carrying capacity for delivering finished goods to hubs, but also for gathering minerals in bulk, including ore that you refine yourself to save isk, and also just as a safer way to deliver high value goods....a freighter is much harder to kill than any other transport ship (including orca?). Piloting isn't that bad...I no longer even use iterons, just an obelisk as main transport (925K m3) plus an occator for the occasional small quick haul.
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-02-18 07:10:08 UTC
I've wound up specializing in T1 rigs and use a well tanked Drake to move materials and goods around. Guess I'll have to change my scheme when the Drake's tank is nerfed and I'm already tempted to get a real hauler anyway to run routes between high sec hubs. Seems like a contest between a blockade runner (naturally wouldn't get into the ship business with this), a freighter, or an orca. DST fits just seem to yield disappointing EHP in EFT.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#35 - 2012-02-18 18:32:39 UTC
Jacob Stiller wrote:
I've wound up specializing in T1 rigs and use a well tanked Drake to move materials and goods around. Guess I'll have to change my scheme when the Drake's tank is nerfed and I'm already tempted to get a real hauler anyway to run routes between high sec hubs. Seems like a contest between a blockade runner (naturally wouldn't get into the ship business with this), a freighter, or an orca. DST fits just seem to yield disappointing EHP in EFT.


For small, High value goods, you can't go wrong with your racial force recon. Stiff Tank (for discos) and warping cloaked.

Or an Orca, ofc.

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Ameron Phinard
#36 - 2012-02-19 03:55:43 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:

Orca has a cargohold with a capacity up to 100,951.31 m3 = 2 packaged battleships


Fully expanded and with T2 rigs. That's an awfully expensive Orca.
Ryuce
#37 - 2012-02-19 11:23:25 UTC
Ameron Phinard wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:

Orca has a cargohold with a capacity up to 100,951.31 m3 = 2 packaged battleships


Fully expanded and with T2 rigs. That's an awfully expensive Orca.

I do believe, that the valuable cargo one would transport in an Orca isn't in the cargo bay...
Ameron Phinard
#38 - 2012-02-19 18:12:51 UTC
Ryuce wrote:
Ameron Phinard wrote:

Fully expanded and with T2 rigs. That's an awfully expensive Orca.

I do believe, that the valuable cargo one would transport in an Orca isn't in the cargo bay...


Obviously anything expensive goes in the corp hanger. But the hull and the rigs are around 1.3 Billion and, for an Orca, is going to have a fairly thin tank. It's not worth ganking for the cargo but might be worth ganking for the KM/tears.
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