EVE General Discussion

Oh no! My Wonkatronic "Agalup" Inertia Frobulator has been renamed to something less technobabblish! This is the end of civilisation as we know it! Run for the hills! RUN, fools!

It's not a dumbing down. It's a diminishment of content.


The words and numbers as arranged before had meaning, a meaning within the context of fictional spaceships. They represented extremely sophisticated technical hardware. They belonged in the world CCP created.

Finding most modules was not hard, because most modules have a Variants tab on the info pane. You are two mouse clicks away from the breadth of available modules for almost any given type. Add two more clicks and you'd have the market details for any of them in your Region. It takes longer to manually search for a module, even with the new names, than to use the previous method described.

The new names represent nothing in the context of fictional spaceships: rather, they represent a loosely-arranged set of mathematical modifiers, tailored for the real-world task of EFT warrioring. These names have very little value in the world CCP created. This is coming from someone who's never RP'd.

These changes were not necessary. They are not an improvement in my eyes. They are not HTFU. They cater to a lazy mentality.

While I find the changes disappointing, in the scheme of things they have an almost negligible effect on EVE... but they fo sho make it less interesting.

Them's my 0.02 ISK.

Context doesn't justify anything.

Context is used to give perspective. In fact, specifically citing context proves that you need to reasses why this name has to be IN CONTEXT to understand it.

BANE has nothing to do with explosions, and Mjolnir has nothing to do with EM, so there's no reason to have to justify NOVA has anything to do with Thermic reactions. And Trauma has nothing to do with applying Kinetic damage, and sounds stupid.

It means "New Rocket" in that context, because the context of damage type is clearly irrelevant to the damage types naming scheme.


Using the type of damage applied to justify any naming method means that all Hybrid ammo should just be renamed to "Nova-Trauma" ammo because they all do the exact same damage profile. Range doesn't matter in the name, so the naming scheme is broken in hybrid and crystal ammos.

All ranges of all hybrid and crystal ammos should have exactly one name to share amongst them all using the logic of "my ammo has to have the same name for the same type of damage". The whole naming scheme is broken from a Categorical point of view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorization#Miscategorisation

Literally, the way that you are perceptually PORTRAYING these ammos and weapons to the pilots and new players implies they are ALL THE SAME. Again, simply because you work at CCP does not strip you of your identity. It is not "more complicated" to tell people apart based on their name. It in fact is how humans EXPERIENCE their world around them everyday. Down to the point of naming their pets and creatures whatever the hell they randomly feel like. People memorize whole baseball teams and leagues of players.

It is not a difficult task to remember the names of something. We expect different things to be named differently.

oh please, people can't get enough of what I'd call Brand Names in RL, but suddenly it's 'cryptic' in a game?
RL example- my antelope rifle isn't called Antelope Rifle II - Long Range....it's a Weatherby Vanguard Deluxe, shooting .257 Wby Mag 120gr Nosler partition.
Sound EXACTLY like an Eve name for something. The scope I use has a name, even the pretty leather sling had some catchy model name. If you take your advice from your neighbor's demonic talking dog (your Son of Sam reference for the day) then you chose a Charter Arms 'Bulldog' firing .44 Special Semi-Wadcutters....oh so hard to remember in a game tho, huh?

Being an Eve player, I can do the same for modules. It's such an non-issue to me. People freaking live for that kind of branding and sense of a name making a product somehow unique among the competition.

It's not so much 'dumbing down' as it is removing the polish. It's stripping off the 'game' around the set of coded mechanics. In the end, it's all random number generators and number crunching- but what makes it a game 'world' is all that useless fluff.

This is all Dungeons and Dragons in the end. Geeks and oddly shaped dice. What made it more than the dice, the percentiles, the sheer math of it all- was the RPG, the world which made knowing all that useless crap worthwhile. Now we have Eve with all the dice under the hood (but the geeks never change) with the most 'real' game world going-- but it's too complicated...oh noooo.
Other than the tweaks and new content in expansions and patches, Eve's 'world' of name brand items is like the menu at McDonald's......if after the third time you've been there you don't know it already, then the problem is you, not the menu calling a Ground Meat and Rat Feces Sandwich I - by a 'cryptic' name like Big Mac.

(how many name brands can I offend in one post?)

Context is everything. It provides accurate meaning when different interpretations are possible. Thus why it is called context.

Thor was the god of thunder, and did throw lightning.

As for Nova, it's use usually always has a stellar connotation. If you aren't happy with that you'll have to take it up with Gene Roddenberry (or his estate) who made the term "Nova Bomb" iconic with it's use in the Andromeda series.

No, Mr Dev, you miss a clear point here!

Scourge for instance, would mean 1.) Heavy Missile AND 2.) Kinetic, in one word!

This gives those advantages, that use certain items more often, and makes EVE feel even bigger, as you happen to stumble upon things you dont know, even after a long time of playing.

It was good as it was.

And now, on top of this, you did choose names that are horrible, don´t you have a trauma from this?

Simplifying things too much will **** of plenty of players who are at the moment for example specialized to trade or other way benefit from different meta mods. Obviously they have spent ages to learn their thing and know the module names better than most of the devs.

Me nor my alts do this kind of stuff, but I do know many who do.

In the end you're still trying to rename banana to tomato and get away with it as it was good thing.
It really is not...

When I loot random stuff and gather it to containers, sorting it out is part of the "fun" (part of the game at least). Some people benefit from other people who don't have time or will to sort our their loot, but either reprocess it or sell it directly to highest buy order no matter how low it might be... That is part of the market complexity of this game. No real world items explain in their names how expensive they are either. Why should Eve do so?

This entire renaming campaign is really bad idea and it isn't even hard to see...

Get your brains together.

I am starting to see the NEW ccp here and actually it is worse than the old one.

Allow me to take on the persona of a new player using the logic of the OP:

"Hey! I just saw that in one of EVE's new patches they changed the names of all the missiles, I'm totally going to subscribe now!"