EVE General Discussion

I would like to see an increase in payouts on Scout sites.

Some of our younger players are not yet able to field a 70/70/70/70 tanked battlecruiser, let alone afford faction ships. From my very limited experience of Scouts this seemed the ideal way of starting people off in Incursions when they are in this situation. However, they don't even pay as well as a level 2 mission completed in bonus time. I have found it a little hard to get people to come 20 jumps out of their way to check if it is in fact feasible to run in 3 T1 cruisers with meta 3-4 tanks, along with 2 baby logi (Osprey/Exequror) or some variation on that, but I assume that is the target audience. There needs to be some compensation for having to fly all over the place away from one's mission hub, wait for a while to form a fleet, lose a few ships learning fleet coordination and such.

Make high sec incursion gates as deadly as low-sec/ null gates and people will earn ISK and will be forced to stop the incursions when they try to bring their freighters through.

As pointed out by others, the major problem is risk vs. reward. The problem is not the actual rewards but the almost complete lack of risk making this kind of money.

The fact that players in nullsec, lowsec and WH space move back to hisec to make their isk should be enough evidence for most people that there is something wrong here. In the long-run it is not a good thing for the game nor the players.

So there are two solutions, increase the risk or decrease the reward. I don't care which way you go.

PS. To all hisec only players. This is not about people wanting to deny you the isk, it is about making incursion running fit with the normal risk vs. reward ratio that applies to other isk making activities in the game. Null players also farm incursions with their hisec alts so a potential nerf will hit these players as well.

Nah. Null sec pilots run incursions on alts for isk. Incursions make far more isk than anything else an individual pilot can make. I agree though, moon goo has to go. Make it a PI thing. But, Vanguards need to be brought in line as far as income goes. Incursions also need to be more dynamic. I've long said (since Sansha ships have a bunch of neuting bonuses) that neuting Sansha ships should warp into the deadspace pockets that are being run at random.

Invading sansha's should also attack and cause massive chaos and distruction to Planetary Interaction installations, and require them to be defended.

The same for POS's in system... If a mom spawns it should warp around to different moons incapping POS's.

This would be awsome. And give a very real disadvantage for allowing the incursions to go on for days.

the ignorants whining about moon goo, stop it yall sound like bittches
1st moon goo has to be sold to get the isk
2nd moon goo that isk goes to the alliance leaders, the average grunt gets nothing, it pays for the sov crap, jbs and stuff
the only place where grunts see the goo riches is through ship reimbursements/ other programmes

and alliances tend to fail when the goo riches are kept by a few at the top, moral crashes and you know the rest

Alright, if we are making changes to Incursions, then this is a very important one that needs to be made.

REMOVE INCURSIONS FROM 0.0!!!!!!!!!!!

Incursions in 0.0 are one of the most annoying useless features, and are the only case in the entire game where EVE forces unwanted content on players completely at random, while also disrupting the current content they were participating in (quite happily in btw).

Rarely do 0.0 alliances in EVE (other than goons or a few others), have enough spare time to do the incursions fast enough to actually finish them in a period of less than 5 or 6 days. And quite often, when incursions spawn in 0.0, they are disrupting some form of PVP, which is the complete opposite of what you want to be doing with what is essentially PVE content.

Whenever a 0.0 Incursion cynojams a constellation, it can be disrupting a possible jump bridge route that allowed one alliance to attack another (therefore disrupting pvp content), it can stop capitals from moving on important routes. It can even slow down alliances from taking space by removing the ability to use capitals, which has also occurred numerous times.

Part of the draw to 0.0 for players is the ability to PVP anywhere and then PVE in places that they can control and do so at their own leisure. When you put incursions in 0.0, you are forcing players who may have nothing to do with PVE, to deal with PVE content to continue their PVP'ing, because even the small gang or solo roaming group may have to worry about the incursion gate camps if they are not cloaky or can't warp fast enough.

I can't fathom who thought it would be a good idea to force PVE content on 0.0 players, but if you don't want to remove incursions from 0.0, at least do this:
- Remove the cyno jammer ability of the incursions, so that it doesn't just become an unusable constellation that you have to gather 60 people repeatedly to clear out (assuming you weren't already fighting with those 60 people every day in some war or conflict)
- Remove the stupid Incursion rat gate camps, that prevent slow ships from solo travelling or small gang travelling without having to first deal with or even avoid the incursion. This basically halts any small gang movement around the area, which is already an issue in the first place, further exaggerated by the presence of incursions.
-The incursion effects, while not completely damaging to the area, do adversely affect pvp. This could remain though and not be too much of an issue


But, since I'm quite sure that removing the cynojammer effect from the incursions would mean just instant death to incursions by capitals, which I'm sure wasn't intended. And I'm pretty sure that removing the 0.0 cynojammer effect without removing the lowsec cynojammer effect would be difficult, as well as any of the other changes like that. So because of this, its just much simpler to stop incursions from spawning in 0.0 systems.

It doesn't even make sense in terms of RP lore, why would Sansha force's attack lawless space? Sometimes incursions even spawn in Stain or places where Sansha's already have a presence, which make's even less sense.

The main point is, incursions are disrupting 0.0 game play for no particularly good reason, its time to get them out of 0.0, and leave them to low-sec and high-sec. Plenty of 0.0 people who want to run incursions can go to low-sec to do so.

All I see is tears from 0.0 people.
Use your alts and fund (some) of your pvp business through incursions instead of whining and throwing a tantrum in empire!

Though the vanguards isk payout should be slightly decreased. Imo AS & HQ are fine. Scouts could use a boost to make them interesting to new players.
On top of that, here needs to be a set timer on spawning of the mom in empire space, so I suggest setting the spawn timer to something like 24 to 36 hours at most.
Some people don't have massive amounts of time and can only play a few hours, and this will give them a chance to actually do a site or two.
Isk and LP are fine as it is.

Someone that lives in low/null sec complained 'boo hooo I am not getting enough isk in low/null sec' - lets cry and annoy the high sec incursions runners and complain to CCP that I am not making enough isk.

After a year of incursion you start complaining NOW !... looks like the big tears weren't coming from the high sec incursion runners but from the low sec people that just want to be in power of the isk flow.

BUT... This is EVE ! as simple put. Everyone is allowed to mess up, scam and blow up each other ships. Do I like it ? I woudl nto be playing Eve if I did not.

So what would I change about incursions - NOTHING at all... let the players decide the faith of incursions. There are now Mom fleet killers in game... would they have been formed if CCP changed incursions earlier ? nooo.. players decided it was time to do something, gather and gank the incursions runners. You will not get any of these 'interactions' in any other game.

I am glad that my income is not only from incursions !