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Vyl Vit
#1 - 2012-01-26 11:24:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
DID YOU KNOW...a recent study claims people lie once every thirty seconds? I read this study...oops...that's a lie. I heard it from my gf who is always reliable without question...oops...that's a lie. Who's usually reliable, and is self-assured as the rock of Gibralter when she's wrong...insisting she's right anyway.

But, in all honesty...oops, there's another whopper...I view truth as a convenience, just like taking the subway vs. riding a bike. OOPS...there's another. We have no subways. I own no bike.

If this study is accurate, and one can assume it is...OOPS! (I won't say either way with that one)...it means even inadvertantly there's a lie in every paragraph of a forum post. Yes, an absolute misstatement of truth...even though nothing's absolute...regardless of how much integrity one assumes one MUST have because one is...one's self...

What's all this mean? Well, on the surface it means nothing. Or, it could mean everything. That depends on your perspective, I guess. After all, how can we be assured we're dealing with reality effectively if we're unaware of the truth? Then, again, there are those who believe dealing with reality is in itself a deception.

Can you believe that??

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-01-26 11:27:39 UTC
Sure thing, I'll gladly take the 300mil you're giving away.
W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
#3 - 2012-01-26 12:07:30 UTC
What if you don't talk for over thirty seconds?

Since I think many people can go for hours without talking or otherwise communicating to others, I don't see how any study can make a claim of this sort. I think the researchers were lying.
Borg Stoneson
SWARTA
#4 - 2012-01-26 13:10:17 UTC
That's what I thought, but then I thought about it a little more and I think we're underestimating the study, it's far far deeper than mere shallow communication, after all we all lie to ourselves don't we? "oh I'll do that washing up later" "I'll take the rubbish out once I've posted this reply" "Just one more TVTropes page then I'm gonig to bed".

Deep.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2012-01-26 13:32:06 UTC
The average is bumped up by politicians
Bek Thyron
#6 - 2012-01-26 15:10:55 UTC
Everybody lies. That is the way of evolution.
Sad fact: I am a horrible liar. My face muscles twitch too remarkable IF i lie to someone face-to-face.
Even sadder fact: Because of that i try to lie as little as possible - and people think i am an ******* - because, f.e. if someone asks me "How its going?" - i answer "Miserable."

People find it pretty offensive. And, one time i nearly got fired because i told my boss that his "cost reduction plan" was actually a really dangerous adventure....(You dont really want to cut costs on isolation material and flame-resistant cables in a serverpool building.)
Adunh Slavy
#7 - 2012-01-26 23:17:40 UTC
Did this study qualify the lies? If I tell someone honestly that they are ugly, is that more or less hurtful than telling them that they are not ugly?

Everyone lies and everyone tells the truth. Perhaps the study could have been titled, "Everyone tells the truth most of the time", thus we could say the title of the study was a lie. It probably would not get as much attention if it seemed to present "good news". So perhaps that is what matters, the motivation for lies and for that matter, the motivations for truths.

What people say is less important than why they say it.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#8 - 2012-01-26 23:43:26 UTC
Some good posts in this thread.

Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!
Vyl Vit
#9 - 2012-01-27 01:41:15 UTC
The primate study center at the Atlanta zoo got some interesting footage. A keeper brought a bucket of apples to the chimp area. All the chimps were outside but one female adult. She saw the apples and let out a loud alarm cry. All the chimps climbed the trees in the compound. She sat there and ate the entire bucket of apples. Yeah...lying.

Then, you have those butterflies that have the same coloration as insects that are poisonous...so predators lay off them.

The idea of lying to yourself in your own thoughts is pretty interesting as well. "I know this is a fact," is probably the most frequently thought lie. I think those count. Of course, the first lie we tell ourselves is "It's okay to lie." It's downhill from there.

Does this dress make me look fat? No. You make the dress look too small.

I don't recall anyone asking, "Do you think I'm ugly?" Most people wouldn't open themselves up to hearing that truth, and couldn't blame someone for speaking it. "How did you like that?" she inquired after serving the burnt omelet. "It was a unique experience." There are probably a dozen different ways to answer those questions without having to resort to lying.

"Where are your troops camped, how many of them are they and how are they armed?" Uh...yeah....

Maybe human behavior creates the conditions it does knowing lying is an integral part of the process. Maybe we're just asking for it; a sort of fatalism.

I know one thing. I lie well, and often. When people live in a fantasy world of their own devising, how could my fictions really upset any apple carts? After all. I write fiction. 400 pages and not one word is true. And, they pay me to do it!

Maybe we even like to be lied to...ever consider that?

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
stoicfaux
#10 - 2012-01-27 01:56:53 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Calling something a lie presupposes that one knows what is true. Instead, I will paraphrase Einstein and posit that it's not that people are lying every 30 seconds, it's actually observers thinking that they're right every 30 seconds, thereby creating the perception that lying occurs every 30 seconds.


edit: grammar

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Vyl Vit
#11 - 2012-01-27 01:58:16 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Calling something a lie presupposes that one knows what is true. Instead, I will paraphrase Einstein and posit that it's not that people lying every 30 seconds, it's actually observers thinking that they're right every 30 seconds, thereby creating the perception that lying occurs everything 30 seconds.

You're really good at this. You must have been practicing!

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
#12 - 2012-01-27 10:23:14 UTC
"I always lie."

There. . .with a simple self referential paradox I just made all those researcher's work go up in a poof of smoke.
stoicfaux
#13 - 2012-01-27 15:10:53 UTC
W1rlW1nd wrote:
"I always lie."

There. . .with a simple self referential paradox I just made all those researcher's work go up in a poof of smoke.

It's not a paradox if the "I" is the lie in your statement.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-01-27 15:20:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The average is bumped up by politicians



I do have to pull you up on "naughty, naughty".
Not all lies are naughty - what about an innocent and simple lie that is planted to reveal a larger and more dangerous one ?

*puts little finger to the corner of his mouth*

"caught on fire a little bit, just a little."

"Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangs all here!"

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