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Fixing the The Loop hole in NPC corps.
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Mirima Thurander
#1 - 2011-09-15 19:40:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
There's an abuse of people using NPC corps, to transport items for there corp(large NULL based corps) that has been wardeced, Forcing people to have to use ganking as the only means to get at these peoples Supply lines.

Having Corps have to defend there supply lines in high sec would create more small scale none cap ship fighting also.



I think it should work like this,


Only be allowed inside of a noob corp for a total of 30 days played time( that's time logged in) after 15 days your given a notice ether join a player corp or your getting drafted into the FW corps.

2 problems solved with 1 idea FW and neutral haulers.


And if you don't like this idea there is this one to,

Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:


I say just make people not in player corps "Free agents", revoke the tax rate and have wardecs against individuals instead of corps cost X isk a week.



So give me a reason why one of these would not work to remove that problem?

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Mirima Thurander
#2 - 2011-09-16 23:12:47 UTC
up

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Breaker77
Reclamation Industries
#3 - 2011-09-16 23:52:22 UTC
So the sandbox should be thrown away so people can play the game the way you want them to?
Carnadyne
Ghost Core
#4 - 2011-09-16 23:57:17 UTC
I'm confused as to what the "problem" is... I thought many characters are in the NPC corps because they don't want to be wardec'd or other non-consentual pvp. How is forcing them into FW helping them?
GizzyBoy
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#5 - 2011-09-17 00:46:26 UTC
I think i missed that bit where you outlined and explained why people in npc corps where a problem.

they pay more tax and get less rewards than just about any one else in game, (Except lowsec according to some)

some people pay the money to play the game, and all they want to do is shoot some npc's and dabble in spaceship fantasy.
sounds like its working out ok to me?
Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
#6 - 2011-09-17 02:11:55 UTC
GizzyBoy wrote:
I think i missed that bit where you outlined and explained why people in npc corps where a problem.

they pay more tax and get less rewards than just about any one else in game, (Except lowsec according to some)

some people pay the money to play the game, and all they want to do is shoot some npc's and dabble in spaceship fantasy.
sounds like its working out ok to me?



as if mission runners even do this lol. Make a 1 man. Unless unlucky or you do stupid crap...should make for a war dec free time mostly.


miners...man they chose a crap thing to do in eve, punished themselves really so I say leave em be lol. Well taht and wtf does fw need with an influx of 1000's of miners? 0.0 doesn't even want them and the sure fire way to boost industrial index to keep the abc flowing is to clear out the crap rocks. Mining presence so small in most places, the smallish bits of abc keeps em fed decent.


Well that and whose fw do you get drafted into? My combat char if I NPC'd his highest standings are with SOE for factiona and corp. SOE fw gonna draft me based on standigns favored corp/faction? Oh wait.....there is no soe fw. Can't be starting race...eve a sandbox game. You rolled amarr and hated it a month later, trained something else. Sooo...if you hated the races ships, why the hell would you run fw for them lol.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-09-17 02:25:36 UTC
make highsec wardecs cost 1bil per day and this idea can go places.

- no one protected from war decs now.
- huge isk sink.
- griefer tears, best tears.
Mirima Thurander
#8 - 2011-09-17 02:38:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
Every one of you posted like someone that has never seen the problem of huge 0.0 people using NPC corps to have wardec free afk hauling to trade hubs.


Or


Had to deal with the neutral logistics in NPC corps reping up a war target.


All of you posted the same thing.


I'm a high sec mission runner than wants to do missions and be immune from any form of aggression till i chose so.


There's nothing that's stopping you from dropping a few mill to have a 1 man corp all you have do then to keep from getting a war is keep from drawing any attention to your self, and if you get a dec just shut down your corp and make a new one its a few mill to start one and now they have to spend another wardec fee to keep it up.


There's nothing wrong with this idea, besides the fact that people that don't want to have PvP forced up on them will no longer have a 100% immunity to pvp, and not being 100% immune to PvP is a good thing.

Give me one good reason that's not a I WANA BE PVP IMMUNE !! < This in your argument and it is not a valid one for keeping a broken part of the game broken.

All points are covered, warning before your droped in to FW to ether join a corp or make your own, and it removes BOTH none shootable haulers and neutral reps of all kinds.



Side note, the none usage of the term care-bear to insult you, or the fact i did not directly insult you, all i have done is pointed out your lack of thought on what parts of the game having neutral NPC corps breaks and the loop holes it creates

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
#9 - 2011-09-17 02:40:19 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
make highsec wardecs cost 1bil per day and this idea can go places.

- no one protected from war decs now.
- huge isk sink.
- griefer tears, best tears.




this basically....tons of gankers teach the carebears a lesson daily. Emulate them.

Blah blah people hiding in npc corps. Pot meet kettle, you both are black. Hiding from concord when 100's of gankers risk concord and random drops for them faction mods daily about the same damn thing.


Khan Mena
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-09-17 07:47:10 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
i think you should work like this


only be allowed inside of a noob corp for a total of 30 days played time( that's time logged in, after 15 days your given a notice ether join a player corp or your getting drafted into the FW corps.

2 problems solved with 1 idea FW and neutral haulers/reps


And then no more Red Frog Freight?

Not supported. Evil
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#11 - 2011-09-17 07:59:24 UTC
No need to force everyone out of NPC corps. But...

Make NPC corp members unable to use support modules (remote armor repair, remote shield transfer, etc.) on anyone but their own corp :-)
Mirima Thurander
#12 - 2011-09-17 12:14:32 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
No need to force everyone out of NPC corps. But...

Make NPC corp members unable to use support modules (remote armor repair, remote shield transfer, etc.) on anyone but their own corp :-)



If your going to use that logic might as well make it where they cant use transportation ships, expanded cargo holds, or fit any thing in there cargo holds besides ammo.



See how that doesn't really make any improvements.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#13 - 2011-09-17 13:28:03 UTC
Problem? Haven't heard of any problems that would make mandatory drafting/recruiting of everything crawling/walking a better alternative ..
- Neutral RR is better solved by aggression tweaks.
- Just about all facets of wardecs are already considered an exploit.
- Etc.

Otherwise it sounds like an awesome plan.

Now if you don't mind, do a write up of how you are going to tell the thousands of casual players who just play Eve to kick back from real-life and chew the fat in local. Or what of the absentee that comes back to find him self at war with thousands of bloodcrazed enemies?

In short: GTFO.
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-09-17 13:41:07 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Every one of you posted like someone that has never seen the problem of huge 0.0 people using NPC corps to have wardec free afk hauling to trade hubs.


Or


Had to deal with the neutral logistics in NPC corps reping up a war target.


All of you posted the same thing.


I'm a high sec mission runner than wants to do missions and be immune from any form of aggression till i chose so.


There's nothing that's stopping you from dropping a few mill to have a 1 man corp all you have do then to keep from getting a war is keep from drawing any attention to your self, and if you get a dec just shut down your corp and make a new one its a few mill to start one and now they have to spend another wardec fee to keep it up.


There's nothing wrong with this idea, besides the fact that people that don't want to have PvP forced up on them will no longer have a 100% immunity to pvp, and not being 100% immune to PvP is a good thing.

Give me one good reason that's not a I WANA BE PVP IMMUNE !! < This in your argument and it is not a valid one for keeping a broken part of the game broken.

All points are covered, warning before your droped in to FW to ether join a corp or make your own, and it removes BOTH none shootable haulers and neutral reps of all kinds.



Side note, the none usage of the term care-bear to insult you, or the fact i did not directly insult you, all i have done is pointed out your lack of thought on what parts of the game having neutral NPC corps breaks and the loop holes it creates



CRY MOAR little carebear cry moar

You try to force people to do something and guess what they prolly wont do it
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2011-09-17 13:42:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Every one of you posted like someone that has never seen the problem of huge 0.0 people using NPC corps to have wardec free afk hauling to trade hubs.
Everyone has, but the question is, what is the problem with NPC corps?

AFK haulers are ridiculously easy to kill. How is this a problem with NPC corps?
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Had to deal with the neutral logistics in NPC corps reping up a war target.
How is that a problem with NPC corps? Sounds more like it's a problem with aggression flagging.
Quote:
There's nothing wrong with this idea
Yes there is: it doesn't explain what the problem with NPC corps is. You outline a slew of discrete issues that have nothing to do with NPC corps, and then you want to restrict how people choose to play their game. It's a compelte non sequitur.
Quote:
Give me one good reason that's not a I WANA BE PVP IMMUNE !!
Because NPC corp is not the same as being PvP immune.

In short: what is the problem you're trying to solve here? Or, perhaps more accurately: what are the problems you're trying to solve? How does your suggestion solve them? What implications and downsides are there to your proposed change?
Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
#16 - 2011-09-17 14:00:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
In short: what is the problem you're trying to solve here? Or, perhaps more accurately: what are the problems you're trying to solve? How does your suggestion solve them? What implications and downsides are there to your proposed change?




guessing the problem is they are a jita hugging privateer type or alt of one....about the only ones who whine about this. Meany 0.0 people alt hauling and avoiding their war decs. War decs they don't leave jita or niarja for and the alliance is in say venal....but hey, even though they won't go to the alliance for they war they jsut paid for, that allaince better come to them.



Ain't a 0.0 type for sure. They all use the same system, its a 0.0 thang (since every alliance can expect 6 privateer war decs a year lol)....shoot the hauler before empire or go meh, get ya next time maybe.
Mirima Thurander
#17 - 2011-09-17 14:07:37 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
Problem? Haven't heard of any problems that would make mandatory drafting/recruiting of everything crawling/walking a better alternative ..
- Neutral RR is better solved by aggression tweaks.
- Just about all facets of wardecs are already considered an exploit.
- Etc.

Otherwise it sounds like an awesome plan.

Now if you don't mind, do a write up of how you are going to tell the thousands of casual players who just play Eve to kick back from real-life and chew the fat in local. Or what of the absentee that comes back to find him self at war with thousands of bloodcrazed enemies?

In short: GTFO.





Give me one good reason that's not a I WANA BE PVP IMMUNE !! < This in your argument and it is not a valid one for keeping a broken part of the game broken.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Mirima Thurander
#18 - 2011-09-17 14:26:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:





NPC Corps facilitate the use of Neutral Repers and Haulers, there's no way to fix this with out doing away with neutral Corps.

Yes you could tweak reping aggression mechanics, but that dose nothing for the haulers there using in these neutral corps.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Mirima Thurander
#19 - 2011-09-17 14:29:38 UTC
Nezumiiro Noneko wrote:
incomprehensible gibberish




I will assume your trying to insult me.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2011-09-17 14:30:09 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
NPC Corps facilitate the use of Neutral Repers and Haulers
So the problem isn't NPC corps, but reppers and haulers.

Why not fix that instead?
Quote:
there's no way to fix this with out doing away with neutral Corps.
How so?
Quote:
Yes you could tweak reping aggression mechanics, but that dose nothing for the haulers there using in these neutral corps.
…and why are not the existing solutions sufficient?
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