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Aubrey Addams
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-24 13:53:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Aubrey Addams
Hi!

I'm planning to make a high-sec pos for some blueprint copy work, and I have some questions.

Please answer me if you can, thank you guys.

What is the biggest standing system where you can anchor a high-sec POS? My plan is to set it up in 0.7 or 0.8 system.

Is it neccesary to set up defense systems in my POS in high sec, or if some1 shoot it, the concord kill em asap?

How usual to be wardecced by others if they see my POS, if im just playing alone (so i'm in a one-man corp) and do some silent copying, and not make any troubles? :)

Around how much is the monthly cost of a high-sec labratory POS?

Thank you,
cheers :)
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#2 - 2012-01-24 14:09:33 UTC
You can look around for more detailed answers, but:
- 0.7 is maximum sec level with POS
- Concord will defend your tower except during war
- You are unlikely to be dec'd (unless you make an ass out of yourself).
- If you are just doing a little copying, use a small tower and no defenses. If you are war dec'd, you have 24 hours to take it down.
- only set up the tower in a system with an NPC station, that way you can leave the BPOs in the station and use the POS for the copying.
- I have not run the fuel numbers in a while, but I suspect that a small tower is still just under 100 mil per month, but may be off a bit.
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-24 14:12:40 UTC
Hi Cliff!
Thanks for the answers.
So you dont need to bring the BPO-s to the POS at all, just bring out the finished bpc-s from the POS? That is awesome :)
Arana Mirelin
Te'Rava Industries
#4 - 2012-01-24 14:25:08 UTC
Aubrey Addams wrote:
Hi Cliff!
Thanks for the answers.
So you dont need to bring the BPO-s to the POS at all, just bring out the finished bpc-s from the POS? That is awesome :)


Correct. If you ever anchor anything in low sec, you really want to do this. any labs in low sec with no stations are strongly believed to be pinatas full of tasty loot.

I have had a POS in 0.5 sec space for about 5 months now, doing invention. I'll disagree about the previous one on reasons for getting wardecced. Sometimes, it's the other guy who wants to be the ass. I have been wardecced once, taken down the POS (which caused the dec to be retracted almost immediately), found a better empty moon, put it back up, and have been running along. Only wish I had been part of an alliance to make the dec a larger waste.

I run a medium tower, and it's about 200M / month, so I expect that a small would be about 100M.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-24 16:15:21 UTC
Also, in case Aubrey is your main, bear in mind that you cannot setup a POS while in an NPC corp.
Mnengli Noiliffe
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-01-24 18:29:29 UTC
In case you don't know yet, you will need +5 standing to a faction to set up POS in 0.5 system owned by that faction. +6 for 0.6 system, +7 for 0.7. This should be the average between corp members so you may need to exit from corp everyone who contribute low standings.

also try to avoid systems that have more than ~90% moons occupied since it means some people may want your moon and dec you. this is less likely if there are plenty of other free moons nearby.


Some more tips -

caldari towers have the most CPU which means they can fit the most laboratories. in case you won't set up the defences, that's what you will probably want.

there are 2 laboratory types - advanced and regular one. regular has more invention and material/productivity time research slots than Advanced, which is only good for copying. keep that in mind while selecting the setup...
Arana Mirelin
Te'Rava Industries
#7 - 2012-01-24 19:43:40 UTC
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:

there are 2 laboratory types - advanced and regular one. regular has more invention and material/productivity time research slots than Advanced, which is only good for copying. keep that in mind while selecting the setup...


There are actually 4, but only 3 of use to the OP, and one of those is quite rare. There's the experimental lab, which is only T3, and the hyasyoda lab, which I have never seen any of in-game, although I know they're out there. Otherwise I agree-ish. I've been the last moon occupied in both systems I've been in, but I'm willing to take that risk. Some of the others have no defenses, so I expect they will be of more interest to start with.
Nekopyat
Nee-Co
#8 - 2012-01-24 19:51:43 UTC
Aubrey Addams wrote:

How usual to be wardecced by others if they see my POS, if im just playing alone (so i'm in a one-man corp) and do some silent copying, and not make any troubles? :)


It would probably be a good idea to set up some defenses, otherwise people will dec you just to get your modules.

More importantly, if you are playing solo and have a POS up, be careful to log in every day. A while back I could not log in for a weekend and returned to find myself wardecced and my tower destroyed. Not being a **** is not enough, and staying away from populated systems will not do it. Small corps are easy pickings and modules are worth more then the wardec fee.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#9 - 2012-01-24 20:38:25 UTC
I didn't see any wardecs until I set up in a 0.5 system. After I moved, I still didn't see any. It makes sense, the 'easy' way is to do the least amount possible and that means Faction standings of 5.0 not 6 or 7. I suggest going with 7 for the least amount of competition.

Other thoughts:
- if you aren't using the tower, you can leave it off but remove your modules first. People will wardec you for 2 hours and cancel just to destroy your stuff
- make sure you have your corp set up so that you or your alt is the only one in it or they have 0 faction standings. It sucks to learn you took down a tower and cant put it up because that one newbie mission you did with your alt cuts your faction standings in half. Just prepare for that
- don't start thinking your tower is 'free' to run because you do pi old something else. Copies cost isk and probably more than you think

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Lili Lu
#10 - 2012-01-24 22:14:43 UTC
Arana Mirelin wrote:
Aubrey Addams wrote:
Hi Cliff!
Thanks for the answers.
So you dont need to bring the BPO-s to the POS at all, just bring out the finished bpc-s from the POS? That is awesome :)


Correct. If you ever anchor anything in low sec, you really want to do this. any labs in low sec with no stations are strongly believed to be pinatas full of tasty loot.

Aubrey, the awsomeness requires you to have trained the skill- Scientific Networking 1, however.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-24 22:39:15 UTC
Small POS fuels costs are about 4 million a day (maybe less one fuel prices settle).

Be sure to check out the cost of renting an office first - in some popular systems with not many stations the office rental costs can be sky high.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#12 - 2012-01-25 01:56:32 UTC
Arana Mirelin wrote:
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:

there are 2 laboratory types - advanced and regular one. regular has more invention and material/productivity time research slots than Advanced, which is only good for copying. keep that in mind while selecting the setup...


There are actually 4, but only 3 of use to the OP, and one of those is quite rare. There's the experimental lab, which is only T3, and the hyasyoda lab, which I have never seen any of in-game, although I know they're out there. Otherwise I agree-ish. I've been the last moon occupied in both systems I've been in, but I'm willing to take that risk. Some of the others have no defenses, so I expect they will be of more interest to start with.


Hyasoda Labs come out of one branch of the Caldari Epic arc. They're usually ~200m

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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#13 - 2012-01-25 02:21:41 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Small POS fuels costs are about 4 million a day (maybe less one fuel prices settle).


Over the summer, it was about 330-350M per 30 days for a large tower, going up to more like 400M to 420M per 30d. Today, if you build the blocks from the raw materials, the cost is 370-410M (and Gallente at 515M). Small towers are now exactly 1/4 of the large tower's cost per month (instead of roughly 1/3 the cost of a large).

So roughly 3.3-3.5M per day at the moment for a small tower if you make your own fuel pellets.

Amarr: 94 / 187 / 371 - 12894 ISK/u
Caldari: 99 / 195 / 388 - 13476 ISK/u
Gallente: 130 / 258 / 514 - 17863 ISK/u
Minmatar: 104 / 206 / 411 - 14257 ISK/u

(Fuel block prices of 19-21k per unit won't last. The underlying component prices mean that they only cost 13-15k to make right now.)
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#14 - 2012-01-25 02:23:36 UTC
Nekopyat wrote:

More importantly, if you are playing solo and have a POS up, be careful to log in every day. A while back I could not log in for a weekend and returned to find myself wardecced and my tower destroyed. Not being a **** is not enough, and staying away from populated systems will not do it. Small corps are easy pickings and modules are worth more then the wardec fee.


EVEMon is pretty much a must-have for this situation. That way you can have it check for "notifications" on a regular basis and alert you.
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-01-25 11:40:34 UTC
Thank you for answers guys.
zoni Ishikela
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-01-26 11:56:47 UTC
Couple of other thoughts:

- try not to pick a system with high regular traffic, high ganking or a gateway system to lo-sec - dotlan will give you a good idea
- it's stated above that having an NPC station office lets you keep your BPOs safe, you can do ME or PE research on BPOs and they will return them to the office corp hangar when done, however copies get delivered to the lab's corp hangar so you have to get them from there
- pick your lab type carefully as the type affects the research speed bonuses you get
- the calendar now tells you when the POS will run out of fuel (brilliant)
- in high-sec, outside of the faction specific fuel block type, you also need to have charters (these are available to purchase at any faction loyatly store) which also get consumed every day
- making your own fuel can be difficult, especially with the recent changes to PI, but is by far the cheapest to operate a POS
- if you solo this, as you max out your skills, you'll still only be able to run 10 jobs concurrently per alt, so no need to have more lab slots than you can handle, although as of the latest patch (crucible 1.1), power usage doesn't increase fuel usage

Hope this helps,

Z.
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-01-26 12:00:16 UTC
zoni Ishikela wrote:
Couple of other thoughts:

- try not to pick a system with high regular traffic, high ganking or a gateway system to lo-sec - dotlan will give you a good idea
- it's stated above that having an NPC station office lets you keep your BPOs safe, you can do ME or PE research on BPOs and they will return them to the office corp hangar when done, however copies get delivered to the lab's corp hangar so you have to get them from there
- pick your lab type carefully as the type affects the research speed bonuses you get
- the calendar now tells you when the POS will run out of fuel (brilliant)
- in high-sec, outside of the faction specific fuel block type, you also need to have charters (these are available to purchase at any faction loyatly store) which also get consumed every day
- making your own fuel can be difficult, especially with the recent changes to PI, but is by far the cheapest to operate a POS
- if you solo this, as you max out your skills, you'll still only be able to run 10 jobs concurrently per alt, so no need to have more lab slots than you can handle, although as of the latest patch (crucible 1.1), power usage doesn't increase fuel usage

Hope this helps,

Z.


thanks, i have only one question:

so i need to make a 1man corp (thats ok), but i have to rent an office in the system's npc station where my pos is, so then i'll get a corp hangar?
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-01-26 12:52:10 UTC
Aubrey Addams wrote:
zoni Ishikela wrote:
Couple of other thoughts:

- try not to pick a system with high regular traffic, high ganking or a gateway system to lo-sec - dotlan will give you a good idea
- it's stated above that having an NPC station office lets you keep your BPOs safe, you can do ME or PE research on BPOs and they will return them to the office corp hangar when done, however copies get delivered to the lab's corp hangar so you have to get them from there
- pick your lab type carefully as the type affects the research speed bonuses you get
- the calendar now tells you when the POS will run out of fuel (brilliant)
- in high-sec, outside of the faction specific fuel block type, you also need to have charters (these are available to purchase at any faction loyatly store) which also get consumed every day
- making your own fuel can be difficult, especially with the recent changes to PI, but is by far the cheapest to operate a POS
- if you solo this, as you max out your skills, you'll still only be able to run 10 jobs concurrently per alt, so no need to have more lab slots than you can handle, although as of the latest patch (crucible 1.1), power usage doesn't increase fuel usage

Hope this helps,

Z.


thanks, i have only one question:

so i need to make a 1man corp (thats ok), but i have to rent an office in the system's npc station where my pos is, so then i'll get a corp hangar?


Correct. It isn't expensive if you pick a less busy system. A few million a month.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#19 - 2012-01-26 13:41:14 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:

Correct. It isn't expensive if you pick a less busy system. A few million a month.


In the quieter regions, offices which are 5+ million per month are considered pricey. I know of quite a few systems where the rentals are below 500k per month.

Duck Mouth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2012-01-26 15:30:01 UTC
Do you need standings AND a charter, or just one or the other?
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