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CCP - make the call

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#21 - 2012-01-26 05:03:53 UTC
kill forum alts CCP
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#22 - 2012-01-26 05:05:02 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=886
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There were 49,096 votes cast by eligible voters (i.e. older than 30 days and thus able to vote), amassing a turnout of 14.25% - once again a record turnout. Of the total votes cast, 659 voters (1.34%) chose to abstain. This abstain % is far lower than previous elections, indicating that players had a better idea of who they wished to vote for compared to previous elections.


14.25% turnout. The winners received a total 27,580 votes, which means only 56.2% of 14.25% voted for them. Ergo, the CSM represents 8% of the player base.

*shrug*



They represent 56% of the player base who cared by your logic. More importantly, you lose an election, you lose. That's how it works.

Also, not voting is a valid voting option. Always has been.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#23 - 2012-01-26 05:07:49 UTC
Dear met worst;

No one gives a crap what a shitposting crybaby alt poster thinks.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#24 - 2012-01-26 05:08:38 UTC
Roosterton wrote:
How don't the majority of the playerbase know they exist? Every election it seems like there's a billion banners saying "make yourself heard in the CSM election!" and "take a moment to cast your vote" on the login screen.

It's sad but they can't read. That's why I will work against adult illiteracy if I get elected to CSM.

Vote Mr M 2012!

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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#25 - 2012-01-26 05:21:25 UTC
I live exclusively in empire these days, because I love ******* trading and love even more ganking other empire faggits for profit and just to gank them coz they are like npcs, buzzing around being useless diks full of ******** perceptions and ideas.

As an empire dweller I'd ******* rather have 0.0 based csm than some dipshit that thinks eve is all about pve and that he's buying from and selling to NPCs through the market and everyone that does anything slightly competitive is a griefer.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#26 - 2012-01-26 05:23:05 UTC
Roosterton wrote:
How don't the majority of the playerbase know they exist? Every election it seems like there's a billion banners saying "make yourself heard in the CSM election!" and "take a moment to cast your vote" on the login screen. If you don't vote in the CSM election, it's either your fault for being ignorant to all of it, or you're just content with things how they are and don't care to vote. Either way; the majority of the playerbase which actually gives a damn is represented.


Quoted for truth, thanks Roosterton.

It's a shame about the apathy many Highsec dwellers have regarding the CSM and voting. Sad but true. If you're not prepared to spend a few minutes selecting a candidate and voting, stop the b*tching and complaining and crying foul. It's your own fault.
Go read the thread regarding the upcoming selection of CSM 7 candidates. Do it, or shut up. Yes, I am currently a Highsec dweller and will vote my chosen candidate, Chribba, if he runs for election. If not, I will choose someone else based on what I know about them from reading posts they have made, ideas and suggestions and other factors.

o/

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#27 - 2012-01-26 06:35:28 UTC
Most high sec scrubs can't even be bothered to learn basic game mechanics or read patch notes. If they don't vote then its all for the best. They don't need a representative when they are casuals that don't even know what is going on half the time.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2012-01-26 06:46:58 UTC
The current CSM have helped shape two of the best updates ever. My blasters are fixed, gal hulls made better, unplayable big fights fixed, my dear retribution fixed, supercarriers nerfed and so much more.

I want to vote everyone in the current CSM back in for another term.
AllUrIskRBelongToMeToo
NuclearSpaceFishCapitalism
#29 - 2012-01-26 06:52:08 UTC
He does have a point with the possible use of surveys sent to the playerbase. Not everyone is going to vote for a candidate that says they are going to push x,y, and z topics if voted in. We are talking about players in a game, not career politicians whom we can trace their votes back a number of years.

Surveys sent to the player base allows ccp to get information from everyone, not just someone that is attempting to represent a percentage of the eve population. Not everyone is into the forum thing, especially massive official forums where you have people that do nothing but troll all day long.

Combine CCP's decision making with the more obviously vocal power of a CSM with that of individual surveys for everyone. The result should be a much more accurate representation of the direction that people want the game to go in that should be fair to the whole, not just segments of the whole.

of course...some idiot is most likely to troll in the post beneath this one or within 5 posts.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#30 - 2012-01-26 07:05:36 UTC
Disagree with the survey of general population. CSM people are voted in because they at least went through the effort of appearing like they understand eve.

Some random moron filling out a survey, which may even get considered, multiplied by thousands = disaster
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#31 - 2012-01-26 07:07:39 UTC
How many apathetic non-voters "I don't care-disband the CSM" people (and others) have actually read and understood the entire White Paper about Eve, it's birth, politics, currency, life and structures ?

Go on, I dare you to read it away from your keyboard, no distractions. It's not that long and goes a long way to explaining what Eve really is and to a large extent, what the CSM is.

http://www.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#32 - 2012-01-26 07:29:28 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
met worst wrote:
>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM

Dump them. Sack them. Kiss 'em off.


Find a method that represents ALL players and let's not have another year of self-congratulatory BS served in ego-wrap.

Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.

IGNORE the morons that did everything they could to BRING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE with public "foot stamping" - the same people that pushed for game changes for the betterment of their own alliances. A MINORITY of EVE.

CSM 6 is corrupt, biased and downright dangerous for THE GAME.

WE DO NOT want a repeat.

CONSIDER random surveys from random players ad hoc to draw opinions/direction.


>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM


This is not about me agreeing with you or not agreeing with you, but simply to point something out.

Despite the abundant number of posts that are negative towards the CSM on these forums, that does not mean that the majority of players agree or do not agree.

You have to keep in mind that the majority of the players have never, and like won't ever post on these forums. In all honesty, we who do post here in no way represent the majority of the playerbase.
Ai Shun
#33 - 2012-01-26 10:31:11 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
How many apathetic non-voters "I don't care-disband the CSM" people (and others) have actually read and understood the entire White Paper about Eve, it's birth, politics, currency, life and structures ?

Go on, I dare you to read it away from your keyboard, no distractions. It's not that long and goes a long way to explaining what Eve really is and to a large extent, what the CSM is.

http://www.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf



That was a very, very good read mate and explained a lot of the CSM. It makes the claims of some monkeys wanting to run for CSM even more laughable.

Thanks.
Signal11th
#34 - 2012-01-26 10:54:54 UTC
Roosterton wrote:
Black Dranzer wrote:
Roosterton wrote:
And you're claiming that this isn't in the interests of the majority of the playerbase?

The problem is the assumption that the majority of the playerbase knows or understands who the CSM are or what they do. I'm not sure that it's safe to make that assumption. I'm not saying the CSM are bad, but the statement that they don't represent the majority of the playerbase is probably accurate if only because the majority of the playerbase probably don't even know they exist.


How don't the majority of the playerbase know they exist? Every election it seems like there's a billion banners saying "make yourself heard in the CSM election!" and "take a moment to cast your vote" on the login screen. If you don't vote in the CSM election, it's either your fault for being ignorant to all of it, or you're just content with things how they are and don't care to vote. Either way; the majority of the playerbase which actually gives a damn is represented.



Bots can't read?

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#35 - 2012-01-26 11:04:57 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:
How many apathetic non-voters "I don't care-disband the CSM" people (and others) have actually read and understood the entire White Paper about Eve, it's birth, politics, currency, life and structures ?

Go on, I dare you to read it away from your keyboard, no distractions. It's not that long and goes a long way to explaining what Eve really is and to a large extent, what the CSM is.

http://www.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf



That was a very, very good read mate and explained a lot of the CSM. It makes the claims of some monkeys wanting to run for CSM even more laughable.

Thanks.


If you search through the most recent summit minutes for candidate, you'll find the section describing many of the things that CCP wants/is changing regarding the CSM qualifications and whatnot.
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-01-26 11:18:45 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
In all honesty, we who do post here in no way represent the majority of the playerbase.


Thank God
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
#37 - 2012-01-26 11:26:32 UTC
I started my term filled with cynicism and was pretty convinced that the CSM was garbage. Then came Monoclegate, and I saw how much CCP cared and how hard they worked to try to get CCP to see the light. Even I as I had my doubts I was starting to se ethat the CSM gfot elected by players in the know. Players without a huge vote bloc that are in CSM are there because people take time to get to know their viewpoints/opinions on the issues.

Meissa Anunthiel is a perfect CSM who wins year after year by popular support. He is proof the process works. He is a no-nonsense hard hitting player with advanced viewpoints and understands Eve.

Go back to your level 2's and your 4 loss 0 kills lifetime stats you scrub.

Hmmm
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#38 - 2012-01-26 11:30:55 UTC
FNA member in 'I don't know wtf I'm talking about' shocker.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#39 - 2012-01-26 11:31:17 UTC
I'm rather fond of the new system requiring that people get 100 likes on their campaign thread in order to be included on the ballot. Will filter out alot of the highsec ninnies who cause the vote to get watered down, hopefully allowing the better highsec candidates to get a competitive number of votes and get in.

One of the best CSM reforms I know of.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#40 - 2012-01-26 11:33:51 UTC
To the OP.

Learn basic democracy before posting rubbish.

CSM is voted by a number of players who actually care to vote.
Of those who took the 5 minutes to vote a large amount voted those whom you clearly oppose.

Instead of rampaging about getting the CSM removed, because then you would have had a handheld solution to your problem, you could actually spend time to form or find an opposing block to work with.

If you want things changed in EVE you have to put in more effort than crying in a post on the forums like a little emo-rager crying wolf in the dark.

And that is where the whole issue lies.

A large portion of EVE players wants CCP to solve their "issues", even if those issues are able to be solved ingame by the playerbase itself.
And if people are too lazy or too indifferent to work together towards a solution then why should CCP put in effort to help the lazy and indifferent ones?